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the extraordinary phenomenon

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investigations council presents epic

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come join us as we hit her and

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experience the great mysteries of the

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hello and welcome to epic voyagers radio

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here on the inception radio network I am

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your guest host this evening Jon Capello

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and I want to welcome all of you to our

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program and thank you for joining us we

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are a unique program that discusses

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things about the paranormal and our

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group the extraordinary paranormal

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investigations Council likes to

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investigate things about UFO sightings

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and any other type of paranormal event

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that might come up and if you're new to

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the program we always have an

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interesting guests come on talking about

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things that are metaphysical in a sense

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but but also things that people have

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experienced through their Imperial

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empirical actions or experiences and and

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so tonight we are going to have a very

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special guest with us and I hope that

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you'll stay with us for the entire two

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hours tonight because it's going to be a

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very fascinating program before we go to

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our guests though I just want to let you

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know that I'm a psychic medium from the

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North Texas area and I travel around the

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country and you may see see me in your

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town one of these days and if you do I

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hope that you'll come out for one of my

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spirit galleries or maybe get a private

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reading I'm also an author I have a book

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out open the mind exorcise the soul and

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I have my own radio program here on the

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inception radio network it's called

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beyond metaphysics and and so so I'm

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very pleased that epic asked me to be a

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part of their their family here on the

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inception radio network now what I

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wanted to tell you was is that this

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program is also rebroadcast on another

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network the dark matter radio network

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it'll probably be on tomorrow night I

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believe and you can also download the

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program after it has concluded and you

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can keep it in your records if you if

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you'd like to listen to it again or have

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someone else hear the program if they're

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not able to do that this evening but

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it's like I say what we want to do is we

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want to get to our guests as quickly as

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we can this evening our guest tonight is

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mr. William Henry and William is is a

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well-known person that is is often on on

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ancient aliens and okay let me see here

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they're telling me to mute my chat okay

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so I don't know how to do that but we'll

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we'll take care of it the best way we

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can okay that should do it but mr.

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William Henry is a very well-known

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person he is an author he is a

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investigative mythologists he's a host

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of revelations radio and he's a regular

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guest presenter on ancient aliens he's

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also a star of arc Arcanum TV and he's

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teaching others about about

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transformations and about ancient aliens

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and about how they affect our lives

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today and so what I want to do is I want

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to bring William into the program

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William are you there yes I'm here John

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well thank you very much for joining us

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this evening we really appreciate you

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being here and what we want to do is we

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want to kind of get started by asking

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you a little bit about yourself and

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about how you got started into this and

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and how this became your passion can you

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tell us a little bit about that sure

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excuse me yeah I started on my path of

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research in 1982 I had moved from

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Detroit where I grew up to Nashville

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where I presently live I was going to be

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an entertainment lawyer and we're trying

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to work on music row here in Nashville

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maybe go to Hollywood who

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anything like that I loved music and I'm

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a musician and wanted to have a career

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in the music business and so I came to

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this small Southern Baptist College here

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in Nashville that offered this

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entertainment music business program

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that the courses were taught by music

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industry professionals and so you got to

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know the people very well and you would

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open up opportunities to work in the

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business but the catch was because it

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was a Baptist College he had to take

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Bible study classes and I knew I knew

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nothing about the Bible my family was

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not particularly religious we went to

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church on Christmas and Easter that's

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about it and so I was kind of hitting it

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cold had no real preconceived ideas or

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anything and lo and behold I'm in a

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sophomore sociology class and the

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professor assigns us to review a book

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whose implications would impact

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Christianity and write a three-page

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review about it so off to the bookstore

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called Holy Blood Holy Grail and I start

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start thumbing through it and it says

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the crucifixion was a hoax Jesus and

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Mary Magdalene were married they had

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children they left sacred secrets and a

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remote hilltop village in southern

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France called Rennes le Chateau and I

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was hooked instantly and I I don't know

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what it was about that book but

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listeners are probably familiar with it

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through the life of like Dan Brown who

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wrote his book Da Vinci Code based on

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that book and sold 85 million plus

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copies of the book there was something

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in that that hooked me as well as a lot

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of other people and it caused me to

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really do some serious some serious

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questioning I ended up writing a 44 page

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review about the book and I was actually

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invited to continue my education

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elsewhere because the professor asked me

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if I actually believed any of the stuff

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that was in the book and I said as a

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matter of fact I think the author's made

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a pretty good case for what they what

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they were saying and that was the end of

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my college career at that Baptist

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College but it wasn't the end of my

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investigation into the mysteries of

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Christianity the esoteric mysteries of

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Christianity and I've continued

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researching them for the 30 years since

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then mmm

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well I noticed that you have some some

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interesting things to say about angels

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and and that you have studied different

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art from like the medieval time period

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and is there as in its it seems that you

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are mainly working on areas where angels

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may have fallen from heaven or how they

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are in that trance that transformation

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and how they are reacting to us does

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that make sense yeah I don't like to use

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the word I don't like to use the word

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fallen in relation to angels that sounds

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into religious that's too dogmatic and

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people talk about fallen angels they

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really don't know what that word means

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most of the time so I just talk about

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angels period and I'm fascinated by why

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would would beings that are so much more

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advanced than humanity willingly leave a

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place of perfect light and love to take

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on a human physical incarnation to take

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on human bodies and M that's kind of the

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core question that I'm presently working

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on I wrote a book about The Watcher

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angels the the the the angels that sit

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on the the divine council of God and the

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heavenly Sion and just utterly

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transfixed by by this story and have

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tried to go beyond a lot of when a lot

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of people talk about the Watchers and

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the Fallen Angels again they're they're

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kind of reacting or they're just they're

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they're repeating what they've been told

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by by a preacher or a pastor and they've

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never really done done extensive

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research about the context in which the

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stories about the Fallen Angels the

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Watchers were written and that that's

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something that really started to

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interest me mm-hmm well you know you

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were you were talking about in your new

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book something about

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I am angels are or do you acknowledge

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different types of angels or sure what

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what and how do you how our angels in a

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way organized in your mind and and then

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also you know I hate to just jump into

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angels because I know you get into

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ancient aliens as well but how how in in

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your philosophy our angels organized or

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do they have a hierarchy or do they have

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a way of doing things and you mentioned

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Sion can you can you explain to us a

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little bit more about Sion yeah sure

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when you go into for example the New

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Testament book of Hebrews you're going

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to be introduced to a place called Sion

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as the name of the heavenly throne of

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Christ it no one knows where it is

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kabbalists think it's perhaps in the

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center of the universe or the center of

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reality somewhere the Mormons actually

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believe it's the center of the Milky Way

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galaxy for whatever that's worth but

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it's described in Hebrews as an

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inhabited location it's the throne of

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Christ and it's inhabited by angels

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gathered in joyful assembly and also

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just humans made perfect and when I

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started thinking about who who are these

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people these these just humans made

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perfect how did they get to be that way

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how did they get to go dwell in this

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heavenly Jerusalem this this place

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called Sion and what do I need to do in

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order to join them these became really

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important questions in my research and I

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don't pretend to have full answers to

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those questions but I am in pursuit of

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that and and following this story of

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these these angelic beings the Seraphim

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this highest order of angels and just

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briefly yes they do describe an angelic

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hierarchy but to me it seems like it's

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more based on a spiral instead of a

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vertical ladder so in other words

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there's just kind of different

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gradations it's sort of more like a

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color wheel in a way of the various

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powers that these angels possess but at

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human incarnation and caused in some

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cases tremendous havoc as a result of

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that but in other cases they left a

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tremendous gift to humanity of the

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actual secrets of heaven as they're

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described of humans can transform into

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angels mm-hmm Wow well you know the

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seraphim is considered like you said

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from from i guess other other traditions

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or other philosophies as the the highest

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or the closest angel to god they're

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generally looked upon as being huge and

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and i feel like i've seen seraphim

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angels in my work because people have

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seraphim's around them and even even

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some of my clients will tell me that

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they had a huge angel around them that

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to me that's a buzz for the for the

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actual Seraphim but I was going to ask

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you other types of angels like the

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cherubs are do you work with them or do

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you have any any yeah you know okay no

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not so much that the cherub in in my

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area of research are often interchanged

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with the Seraphim for example when I've

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written a book about the Ark of the

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Covenant and and they're thought to be

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the Angels the cherub are thought to be

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the Angels the that guard the Ark of the

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Covenant but then when you get into the

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research you realized that most people

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think well it's probably incorrect to

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say it's the cherubim it's more likely

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the Seraphim that are guardians of the

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Ark of the Covenant and I've just kind

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of zeroed in on the Seraphim and part of

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the reason why is I

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on this I was in the Philadelphia Museum

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of Art one day and I walked up to a

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painting and I saw what I described is a

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butterfly Jesus and I'm looking at this

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painting I'm coming why does Jesus have

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butterfly wings I mean you never see

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references to Jesus being a Christ

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angel or referred to even as an angel

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and so it prompted me to do some

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research and it turned out that the

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painting was by one of the great masters

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John Van Dyck the subject was the this

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was Saint Francis of Assisi who is

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receiving the stigmata wounds the wounds

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of the crucifixion the five wounds of

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crucifixion from Christ as a seraph hmm

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yeah that that of course there's a lot

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to be said about Saint Francis but

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that's interesting that Christ would

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appear as a Seraphim yes and that wasn't

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the first time I I was in the nubian

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museum in aswan egypt and i in my books

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I show a fourth century depiction of

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Christ as a seraph and it got me

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wondering if maybe that is actually the

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form that the Christ might even take

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when he manifests in our 3d world mm-hmm

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so so you just so you are basically like

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I say that working with the the the

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Seraphim and and you're saying that

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sometimes Christ takes the form of a

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Seraphim yeah and the the Seraphim of

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course like we were saying were the the

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most powerful angels and the reason why

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I brought up the cherubs is because the

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cherubs are known to be the second

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highest in the in the hierarchy of

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angels but they are the angels of all

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knowledge and wisdom and and the most

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famous cherub is Lucifer Lucifer could

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also be interpreted as a seraph as well

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mm-hmm because he's a watcher okay okay

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well because I you know I've only known

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him as

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cherub and and so your it just seemed

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like you're you're starting to you are

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able to mix all of them in with the

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Seraphim so there's I s I guess in my in

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my tradition I'm just trying to - to get

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this segmented so that I can understand

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it because in the in the hierarchy a

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higher the higher level or higher realm

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of the angelic hierarchy you have the

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throne angels the cherubs and you have

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the seraphim and and so concentrating on

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the Seraphim is is fine it's it's a very

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unique but I'm just wondering how it

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kind of relates to the other so-called

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angels and in this hierarchy as as some

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of us understand it so when you talk

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about Lucifer in the scene techs in the

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book of the Watchers and or the texts

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related to the Watchers Lucifer is a

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shapeshifter he is he's able to take on

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the form of the serpent especially the

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winged serpent and that is the very

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definition of the word sareth the winged

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serpents or the burning ones so based on

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that I'm pretty comfortable in saying

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yeah well well you might traditionally

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think of Lucifer as a cherub he does

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manifest the characteristics of of the

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Seraphim mm-hmm well another thing about

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the Seraphim is that they are known to

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have six wings exactly and the six wing

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angel that's another way of saying well

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that's a Seraphim not only because of

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their their huge presence but the fact

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that they do have these six wings which

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makes them unique and the cherub is

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pretty much opposite of the Seraphim

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it's from once again from my perspective

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it's the little dots you see a lot of

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times when you're going to bed you see a

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lot of times little colored colored dots

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and a lot of times that they're say that

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that's the fairies or that's the cherubs

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around you because they are tiny they

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are tiny entities and they're the the

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little fairies that are little angels

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that you might see in the Sistine Chapel

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they look like sometimes they look like

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babies but a very powerful angel and and

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so you're saying that a lot of times the

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cherubs and Seraphim kind of morph into

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one another is that makes sense they

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seem to I mean that's what the stories

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indicate and so I'm not that's why I say

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I'm not that concerned about about the

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hierarchy so much I mean at that level

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it's kind of like the difference between

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purple and indigo in a way mm-hmm there

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is a difference but there there's very

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strikingly similar and it's a kind of a

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matter of vibration in a way mm-hmm well

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another thing is is that if they are

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depicting Christ as a seraph and Christ

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is part of the holy trinity a part of

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God then wouldn't it be kind of an easy

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leap to say that that the seraphs are

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kind of a part of the the God the God

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energy yeah I mean absolutely uh perhaps

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that's why they sit on God's divine

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counsel mm-hmm and are often portrayed

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and in Christian art as the as the

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guardians of the of the throne of Christ

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or the guardians of Sion yes they're

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they're considered the the guardians and

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the the ones Cup course closest to God

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but it just seems that you you are

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basing a lot of the information from

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Hebrews is that is that right oh that's

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a starting place no a lot of it is I

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mean again I was fascinated by that

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statement and Hebrews about the

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celestial Sion is this inhabited

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celestial location that's inhabited by

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angels gathered and joyful assembly who

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are the the Watchers and the Seraphim

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and also these just humans made perfect

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this other this seemingly set apart

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class of humans that somehow were able

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to gain access to this celestial

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location

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well so you're saying that that humans

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can once they once they pass from this

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life to the next that they can become

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Seraphim or seraphim's come come to the

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earth as humans they take human form yes

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exactly exactly and now the the the it's

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interesting too that you say some serifs

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or seraphim's some are would you say

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evil and some are good

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I don't do the good and evil thing

429
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necessarily because it's that's all a

430
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matter of interpretation and perspective

431
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I mean what's he good to use might not

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be good for somebody else what's evil to

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you might not be evil to somebody else I

434
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mean generally how can it being a pure

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light and pure love be construed as evil

436
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to begin with and I don't see the

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Seraphim so much being as going around

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to making trouble for humankind they

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seem to be here on a mission to awaken

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humanity to our our godlike potential

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and our ability to morph into Seraphim I

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mean that was one of the the

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foundational beliefs of the of the

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Renaissance that produced so much of the

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art of featuring the Seraphim is that

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humans could transform into Seraphim in

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fact that is our our highest human ideal

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is to become like these angels mm-hmm

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well another if so-called if you want to

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call it a conflict is for metaphysics

451
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and psychics is that a lot is being as

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long a lot has been said that angels do

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not become human and and so you're

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you're breaking new ground from from my

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perspective as a psychic because so many

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psychics say that that guides are are

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usually people but but angels usually do

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not take human form so it's interesting

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that you are saying that the seraphim

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who is the highest of all of the angels

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is a morrison - are you there with are

462
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you familiar with the Dead Sea Scrolls a

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little bit not as much I guess as you

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would be but they're still being

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revealed

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I think aren't they yeah they are

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they're pretty pretty direct and pretty

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explicit about the the Angels becoming

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humans and coming here to teach humans

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to become angels that's the the

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foundation of what's known as asine

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mysticism the the Jewish mystics who

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lived in about 180 BC up until the time

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of Jesus some people even think Jesus

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John the Baptist Mary were all Essenes

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and their foundational belief was that

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humans inherently are divine or angelic

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beings that have kind of sort of lost

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our way we've forgotten who we are

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and they're they believe that their

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community was in communion with the

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Angels in hopes of creating a community

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whereby everybody could affect the

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transformation from a human into an

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angelic light being so in a way humans

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are trying to perfect themselves so they

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can become perfect like the Seraphim

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that's correct okay okay so I just I'm

489
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just trying to understand how this is

490
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all working now I wanted to ask you and

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now I I think everybody watches ancient

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aliens from time to time is when when

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you're on the ancient aliens do you

494
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mainly get into this particular area as

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far as the seraphim's are concerned or

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no I've been on the show for five years

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now and typically when we do that the

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seasons will will often I'll usually do

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two to three sometimes four rounds of

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interviews and each round of interview

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might have as many as 60 questions

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sometimes more could be a hum questions

503
00:26:02,320 --> 00:25:59,060
about everything from the Sphinx to

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caves and aliens you name it whatever

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the topic of the show is so I have to go

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research all the questions and very

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often I present story ideas myself

508
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they've probably done I don't know 10 or

509
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12 different episodes based on research

510
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original research that I've done know

511
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well because every time I've seen you on

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the program I haven't heard you talking

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seraphim's no it's a subject I keep

514
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trying to push them into some of these

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more spiritual directions and they're

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they're kind of following it's a it's a

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mainstream show it's a History Channel

518
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show it's aimed at angry angry males and

519
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you know they like to break things apart

520
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and put them back together and figure

521
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things out and so you know that's kind

522
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of the the the perspective right off the

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bat and so it's not a spiritual show

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although they're constantly touching on

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spiritual subjects and when they're

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talking about angels or excuse me when

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they're talking about angels they might

528
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actually be talking about angels or

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avatars or some of the depths of the

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past and thinking of them as aliens

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mm-hmm well a lot of times they seem to

532
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kind of go into the like you well maybe

533
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:17,460
it's to appeal to angry males they go

534
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:21,600
into the negative about maybe demons or

535
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:24,210
or how things were negatively affected

536
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and and so it's it's it's it's just an

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interesting perspective that they

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present but when you when you do talk

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about ancient aliens would you say that

540
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:40,710
seraphim's influence some of the ancient

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cultures that that were on earth like

542
00:27:50,090 --> 00:27:47,360
the Egyptians or some of the other

543
00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:50,100
famous ancient cultures that we look at

544
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:53,910
yeah I think that if you if you accept

545
00:28:00,410 --> 00:27:56,970
that the word Seraph means winged

546
00:28:02,210 --> 00:28:00,420
serpent as it does I mean there's a

547
00:28:04,850 --> 00:28:02,220
couple of different definitions winged

548
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:04,860
serpents burning ones or the typically

549
00:28:10,460 --> 00:28:07,290
the ones that are offered and in your

550
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:10,470
Bible commentaries then you say okay

551
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:13,200
well I've seen lots of winged serpents

552
00:28:20,750 --> 00:28:17,250
in Sumerian art in Egyptian art I've

553
00:28:23,260 --> 00:28:20,760
seen them in Hindu art so it raises the

554
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:23,270
question are these the same beings that

555
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:25,890
are appearing in these various cultures

556
00:28:29,630 --> 00:28:28,290
and so then you follow up that question

557
00:28:32,450 --> 00:28:29,640
by looking about what were the winged

558
00:28:34,730 --> 00:28:32,460
serpents concerned with in ancient Egypt

559
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:34,740
for example when they what they were

560
00:28:39,340 --> 00:28:36,330
concerned with was human transformation

561
00:28:41,020 --> 00:28:39,350
into celestial beings star beings well

562
00:28:43,060 --> 00:28:41,030
sounds pretty close to me that's like

563
00:28:45,820 --> 00:28:43,070
the mission of the Seraphim in the in

564
00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:45,830
the in the Old Testament and you even

565
00:28:50,620 --> 00:28:49,070
look to people like Moses Moses lifted

566
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:50,630
the serpent of healing in the wilderness

567
00:28:56,770 --> 00:28:54,770
and he actually made or identified a

568
00:29:00,250 --> 00:28:56,780
winged serpent one of the burning ones

569
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:00,260
so you have Moses caught in the act of

570
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:02,960
somehow interacting with the Seraphim

571
00:29:07,570 --> 00:29:05,210
and it ultimately having a healing and

572
00:29:10,270 --> 00:29:07,580
transformative effect on the Israelites

573
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:10,280
so it looks to me like maybe it's

574
00:29:13,899 --> 00:29:12,320
possible that you could make a at least

575
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:13,909
you could raise the question did Moses

576
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:15,440
learn about the Seraphim while he was

577
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:16,730
training in all the wisdom of the

578
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:19,520
Egyptians it's a good possibility mm-hmm

579
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:21,679
well you know the the thing about it is

580
00:29:28,020 --> 00:29:24,799
is that study in the Mayan culture as

581
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:28,030
well tattoo akan are you familiar with

582
00:29:33,370 --> 00:29:31,010
yeah I'm sitting in Cato coatl the

583
00:29:36,930 --> 00:29:33,380
feathered serpent mm-hmm and it just

584
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:36,940
seems like the reptilians as far as the

585
00:29:44,649 --> 00:29:40,610
some of these extraterrestrials they

586
00:29:47,740 --> 00:29:44,659
don't necessarily have wings but but the

587
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:47,750
one that is most famous for the the

588
00:29:56,409 --> 00:29:50,240
Mayans and the I believe it's the

589
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:56,419
Toltecs they seem to have that image of

590
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:00,320
a winged serpent or a winged reptilian

591
00:30:06,909 --> 00:30:03,440
as part of one of their their rituals

592
00:30:08,860 --> 00:30:06,919
and and and so I was wondering that do

593
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:08,870
you get into Mayan culture or do you get

594
00:30:13,690 --> 00:30:11,450
into a snake culture no but when you're

595
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:13,700
describing that reptilian aspect you're

596
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:15,850
you're probably familiar of course with

597
00:30:20,649 --> 00:30:19,130
Moses's father Imran and his eyewitness

598
00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:20,659
account of his encounter with the

599
00:30:26,409 --> 00:30:23,809
Archangel Michael and Melchizedek or

600
00:30:29,260 --> 00:30:26,419
Melchizedek and one of the Watcher

601
00:30:31,299 --> 00:30:29,270
angels one of the Seraphim Belial and he

602
00:30:34,810 --> 00:30:31,309
describes them explicitly as having a

603
00:30:36,970 --> 00:30:34,820
serpentine face so you so from this you

604
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:36,980
get a you get a first look at the

605
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:38,690
Seraphim is in fact being winged

606
00:30:44,590 --> 00:30:40,850
serpents and in fact being reptilian

607
00:30:45,490 --> 00:30:44,600
type creatures so that that's very very

608
00:30:47,530 --> 00:30:45,500
interesting it's kind of disconcerting

609
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,540
to people to think that you've got some

610
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:49,360
kind of reptilian beings running around

611
00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:52,370
talking to Moses's father and perhaps in

612
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:52,710
flu

613
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:55,890
in these other cultures but I don't feel

614
00:30:59,570 --> 00:30:57,450
a particularly you know weird

615
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,580
sensitivity to the possibility of there

616
00:31:03,019 --> 00:31:01,919
being reptilian-type beings out there

617
00:31:04,370 --> 00:31:03,029
and that they could in fact be

618
00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:04,380
benevolent beings

619
00:31:09,529 --> 00:31:07,260
oh no I I think that they can be

620
00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:09,539
benevolent beings it's just that that

621
00:31:15,230 --> 00:31:11,220
when you talk about the seraphs as

622
00:31:17,539 --> 00:31:15,240
having kind of reptilian form it

623
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:17,549
immediately think brought me to the

624
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:22,799
Mayans because the the Mayans had that

625
00:31:28,940 --> 00:31:24,890
when when they when they merged with

626
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:28,950
with the other other tribes and in like

627
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:32,010
northern Mexico and it's interesting

628
00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:34,799
that you you would you'd bring up star

629
00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:37,110
people because the the Mayans thought

630
00:31:41,779 --> 00:31:39,000
that they just said that they were star

631
00:31:44,930 --> 00:31:41,789
people they came from Pleiades right yes

632
00:31:50,169 --> 00:31:44,940
yes they and they they were very good

633
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:50,179
with math they they had a good idea of

634
00:31:55,220 --> 00:31:52,529
astronomy and just so many so many

635
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:55,230
different things and we studied where we

636
00:32:00,590 --> 00:31:57,210
talked a lot about the Mayans because of

637
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:00,600
the 2012 and all the loot like all of

638
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:03,090
the end of the world things and which

639
00:32:09,139 --> 00:32:05,279
kind of brings me to another topic and

640
00:32:11,299 --> 00:32:09,149
that is the topic of Ascension because I

641
00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:11,309
believe you get into that as well is

642
00:32:19,549 --> 00:32:16,440
that right yes I do and and so what they

643
00:32:21,740 --> 00:32:19,559
were saying was at the end of 2012 they

644
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:21,750
were talking about December 21st 2012

645
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:24,210
and how that was going to be the day of

646
00:32:28,460 --> 00:32:26,730
Ascension and there were a lot of

647
00:32:30,169 --> 00:32:28,470
youtubes out there there were a lot of

648
00:32:32,539 --> 00:32:30,179
different things out there were saying

649
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:32,549
saying that people were going to be

650
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:36,000
ascended and purified and when they did

651
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:39,690
they would be like what 20 feet tall or

652
00:32:43,549 --> 00:32:42,690
something like that and what they were

653
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:43,559
in a way I guess

654
00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:47,039
describing Sarah seraphim's because the

655
00:32:53,630 --> 00:32:50,820
once again the huge the huge figure that

656
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:53,640
they become and so it would make sense

657
00:32:59,360 --> 00:32:56,130
or it follows that what you're what

658
00:33:03,260 --> 00:32:59,370
you're talking about as far as humans

659
00:33:05,629 --> 00:33:03,270
becoming seraphim's and so from from

660
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:05,639
like I say from what what we have been

661
00:33:08,889 --> 00:33:06,559
talking about

662
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:08,899
or oh I guess the cup past couple of

663
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:11,360
years and about the Ascension kind of

664
00:33:16,930 --> 00:33:14,210
falls in line with what you wouldn't you

665
00:33:19,869 --> 00:33:16,940
were talking about as far as humans

666
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:19,879
morphing into the higher being but what

667
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:23,570
can you tell us about ascension well let

668
00:33:28,090 --> 00:33:25,490
me I yeah just want to make a comment on

669
00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:28,100
that but Maya 2012 business because I

670
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:30,710
was like you kind of very intrigued by

671
00:33:37,139 --> 00:33:33,049
it and locked onto it and tracking it

672
00:33:39,220 --> 00:33:37,149
for a while the key image that I enjoyed

673
00:33:42,009 --> 00:33:39,230
researching and continued to research

674
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:42,019
actually was the Mayan image of

675
00:33:46,919 --> 00:33:44,090
Quetzalcoatl the feathered serpent who

676
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:46,929
who could be a seraph or a Seraphim

677
00:33:52,629 --> 00:33:50,840
descending from the 8r8 star which the

678
00:33:55,690 --> 00:33:52,639
Mayans identified as the center of the

679
00:33:57,700 --> 00:33:55,700
Milky Way galaxy and he was descending

680
00:34:00,700 --> 00:33:57,710
upon what the Mayans described as a

681
00:34:03,580 --> 00:34:00,710
serpent rope some kind of a cosmic

682
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:03,590
conduit that I interpreted based on the

683
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:05,450
work of John Major Jenkins and others as

684
00:34:09,730 --> 00:34:08,240
a as a wormhole and got to thinking well

685
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:09,740
you know what if these what are these

686
00:34:15,579 --> 00:34:12,050
Seraphim actually travel the galaxy

687
00:34:17,649 --> 00:34:15,589
through stargates and and wormholes and

688
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:17,659
what if that's part of what they're here

689
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:20,480
to do is to to hook us up in a way to

690
00:34:25,809 --> 00:34:24,290
the to the cosmic highway that's kind of

691
00:34:29,050 --> 00:34:25,819
segues into your question about

692
00:34:33,250 --> 00:34:29,060
ascension and that's some work I've been

693
00:34:36,909 --> 00:34:33,260
doing for I don't know probably directly

694
00:34:39,730 --> 00:34:36,919
since 2006-2007 somewhere in there it

695
00:34:42,339 --> 00:34:39,740
was kind of interesting I was at a UFO

696
00:34:44,859 --> 00:34:42,349
conference in San Jose big conference a

697
00:34:47,319 --> 00:34:44,869
couple comes up to me and and asks me

698
00:34:48,579 --> 00:34:47,329
first thing yet they introduced

699
00:34:50,919 --> 00:34:48,589
themselves and they said that they had

700
00:34:54,099 --> 00:34:50,929
both had PhDs from the Harvard Divinity

701
00:34:56,740 --> 00:34:54,109
School they they worked with the Dalai

702
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:56,750
Lama they translated Tibetan text their

703
00:35:00,730 --> 00:34:58,880
specialty was the rainbow body of light

704
00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:00,740
and they wanted to know if I knew

705
00:35:03,690 --> 00:35:02,000
anything about it I said no I've never

706
00:35:05,950 --> 00:35:03,700
heard of it and they said well

707
00:35:08,650 --> 00:35:05,960
essentially what the Tibetans teach is

708
00:35:11,950 --> 00:35:08,660
that the human body is designed to be

709
00:35:14,260 --> 00:35:11,960
spun into a vortex he's designed to be

710
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:14,270
accelerated and spun into a vortex that

711
00:35:19,180 --> 00:35:16,400
ultimately manifests is five colored

712
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:19,190
rainbow light leaving behind only hair

713
00:35:24,070 --> 00:35:20,330
toe and fingernails

714
00:35:26,860 --> 00:35:24,080
have no nerves to be transmuted and what

715
00:35:29,530 --> 00:35:26,870
they said is that my work answered for

716
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:29,540
them my work in ancient Egyptian

717
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:31,850
Stargate metaphysics answered for them a

718
00:35:36,610 --> 00:35:34,850
question that the Tibetans wouldn't

719
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:36,620
answer because they said it was secret

720
00:35:40,930 --> 00:35:39,290
or they simply didn't know what the

721
00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:40,940
answer to the question was and that was

722
00:35:45,730 --> 00:35:43,310
the Tibetans teach that once you attain

723
00:35:49,180 --> 00:35:45,740
this this glory body or resurrection

724
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:49,190
body this rainbow body of life then

725
00:35:55,930 --> 00:35:53,450
you're able to travel to an additional

726
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:55,940
12 or 13 star systems where this

727
00:36:02,950 --> 00:35:58,880
teaching is taught and what they wanted

728
00:36:05,550 --> 00:36:02,960
to know was how do you get there I mean

729
00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:05,560
once you pop into your rainbow body and

730
00:36:09,940 --> 00:36:07,910
you can go to these other star systems

731
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:09,950
how do you get there and then they said

732
00:36:13,540 --> 00:36:11,930
they're watching my presentation star

733
00:36:15,070 --> 00:36:13,550
walkers and the dimension of the blessèd

734
00:36:18,220 --> 00:36:15,080
which is about ancient Egyptian

735
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:18,230
Resurrection teachings which I I show in

736
00:36:22,270 --> 00:36:19,970
there that when the when the ancient

737
00:36:23,860 --> 00:36:22,280
Egyptian gods are ascended when they've

738
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:23,870
left their human form and then their

739
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:26,450
celestial form they can now they can now

740
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:28,370
travel on what's called the Ark of the

741
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:29,930
millions of years or the ship of

742
00:36:35,410 --> 00:36:33,650
eternity and what I observed is that the

743
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:35,420
way the ancient Egyptians portrayed that

744
00:36:41,620 --> 00:36:38,810
our core ship matches precisely the way

745
00:36:43,630 --> 00:36:41,630
modern science portrays a wormhole so I

746
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:43,640
went out on a limb and said hey look it

747
00:36:46,570 --> 00:36:44,930
looks like you know it's possible that

748
00:36:48,940 --> 00:36:46,580
these ancient Egyptian gods these

749
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:48,950
ancient aliens could be Stargate

750
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:51,920
traveling or wormhole travelers and so

751
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:54,800
that really resonated with this couple

752
00:36:58,900 --> 00:36:56,480
and they said this is what we see

753
00:37:01,360 --> 00:36:58,910
happening is that once you attain the

754
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:01,370
resurrection body or glory body your

755
00:37:07,570 --> 00:37:04,640
body then effectively becomes the

756
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:07,580
wormhole and you can travel through the

757
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:09,410
stars as a celestial being

758
00:37:14,740 --> 00:37:12,290
and and so they started feeding these

759
00:37:17,050 --> 00:37:14,750
various PhD dissertations and other

760
00:37:20,350 --> 00:37:17,060
research that kind of became the the

761
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:20,360
cornerstone of my work on Ascension and

762
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:22,880
what I've started to do since then is I

763
00:37:27,730 --> 00:37:25,250
call it playing tic-tac-toe I linked

764
00:37:29,590 --> 00:37:27,740
together the the Tibetan which is really

765
00:37:33,070 --> 00:37:29,600
an extraterrestrial teaching it doesn't

766
00:37:34,060 --> 00:37:33,080
come from Earth it's probably from a you

767
00:37:37,530 --> 00:37:34,070
know pick a star

768
00:37:40,270 --> 00:37:37,540
system Sirius Orion Pleiades Ursa Major

769
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:40,280
Arcturus they're all involved they're

770
00:37:44,830 --> 00:37:42,650
all and we have beings coming and going

771
00:37:47,890 --> 00:37:44,840
from these star systems in in sacred

772
00:37:50,530 --> 00:37:47,900
myth and tradition and so I started

773
00:37:52,660 --> 00:37:50,540
linking the Tibetan the ancient Egyptian

774
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:52,670
resurrection mysteries with the Essenes

775
00:37:59,710 --> 00:37:56,410
/ Christian resurrection mysteries and

776
00:38:02,200 --> 00:37:59,720
people really enjoy it because they get

777
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:02,210
to they get a sense that okay this is a

778
00:38:07,570 --> 00:38:04,880
true cosmic teaching here and we're

779
00:38:11,050 --> 00:38:07,580
ultimately went for me is I started

780
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:11,060
comparing the way that the the Tibetans

781
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:13,850
would show the rainbow body these fluid

782
00:38:18,850 --> 00:38:16,610
vortex shaped bodies that are rainbow

783
00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:18,860
colored light and I started comparing

784
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:21,710
those with the fluid vortex shaped

785
00:38:27,610 --> 00:38:24,800
bodies of the Seraphim and Christian art

786
00:38:30,220 --> 00:38:27,620
mm-hmm and what do you know they match

787
00:38:32,650 --> 00:38:30,230
they match and so that that opened up

788
00:38:34,810 --> 00:38:32,660
this idea that with the Tibetans called

789
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:34,820
the the rainbow body is technically

790
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:37,130
called dou Chen or the great perfection

791
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:39,530
and so I started to use that word

792
00:38:43,090 --> 00:38:41,450
perfect as sort of like a needle and

793
00:38:44,980 --> 00:38:43,100
thread to weave my way through these

794
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:44,990
traditions just always looking for that

795
00:38:50,260 --> 00:38:47,450
magic word because they all talk about

796
00:38:53,260 --> 00:38:50,270
humans attaining perfection but what

797
00:38:54,580 --> 00:38:53,270
what does that mean well in the Tibetan

798
00:38:56,830 --> 00:38:54,590
tradition you know you're a perfect

799
00:38:59,470 --> 00:38:56,840
being when you have spun yourself into

800
00:39:02,590 --> 00:38:59,480
this vortex and you you manifest your

801
00:39:04,450 --> 00:39:02,600
rainbow body well this is exactly how

802
00:39:07,570 --> 00:39:04,460
Christ is portrayed in his resurrected

803
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:07,580
form the Egyptians portray Osiris and

804
00:39:12,580 --> 00:39:09,770
his resurrected form in a similar

805
00:39:14,860 --> 00:39:12,590
fashion and it's a way of linking these

806
00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:14,870
traditions well I want to ask you a

807
00:39:22,060 --> 00:39:19,310
question now is everyone on earth going

808
00:39:25,420 --> 00:39:22,070
to morph into being a seraph because you

809
00:39:29,940 --> 00:39:25,430
just said that a lot of other systems

810
00:39:33,730 --> 00:39:29,950
are there other oh I guess of a

811
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:33,740
extraterrestrials come here so is this

812
00:39:41,110 --> 00:39:36,130
kind of a melting pot for the universe

813
00:39:43,450 --> 00:39:41,120
or an interdimensional melting pot where

814
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:43,460
you have seraphim's dealing with other

815
00:39:47,950 --> 00:39:46,850
beings or or are we all going to be

816
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:47,960
Sarah

817
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:52,400
well that's a very powerful question

818
00:39:57,339 --> 00:39:54,530
really complex question I don't know all

819
00:40:00,280 --> 00:39:57,349
the answers but what I've observed in in

820
00:40:01,930 --> 00:40:00,290
brief is the Tibetans for example teach

821
00:40:05,410 --> 00:40:01,940
that you're not getting off this rock

822
00:40:07,180 --> 00:40:05,420
until you attain your perfect body until

823
00:40:09,069 --> 00:40:07,190
you attain your resurrection body your

824
00:40:10,569 --> 00:40:09,079
rainbow body of life and they tell you

825
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:10,579
you're going to go round and round and

826
00:40:15,339 --> 00:40:13,609
round and many people have they also

827
00:40:17,530 --> 00:40:15,349
tell you in other words you're going to

828
00:40:19,420 --> 00:40:17,540
reincarnate over and over again until

829
00:40:22,170 --> 00:40:19,430
you do attain it but they also tell you

830
00:40:25,210 --> 00:40:22,180
that you can attain it in one lifetime

831
00:40:28,329 --> 00:40:25,220
now so that's that suggest that maybe

832
00:40:30,730 --> 00:40:28,339
we're you know we're out here on way out

833
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:30,740
here on the Orion Arm of our galaxy were

834
00:40:37,390 --> 00:40:33,730
in them we're in no-man's land in a way

835
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:37,400
but maybe were we're here to to bring

836
00:40:42,099 --> 00:40:39,680
this this teaching to this part of the

837
00:40:44,319 --> 00:40:42,109
part of the galaxy you know I mean I

838
00:40:48,099 --> 00:40:44,329
always love that image where when you

839
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,109
you look at the galaxy from face-on and

840
00:40:53,410 --> 00:40:50,480
you recognize that all the stars that we

841
00:40:56,319 --> 00:40:53,420
see in the night sky are just a tiny

842
00:40:57,970 --> 00:40:56,329
little dot in the Milky Way and so

843
00:40:59,410 --> 00:40:57,980
there's an awful lot of life out there

844
00:41:01,120 --> 00:40:59,420
and so who's to say that these beings

845
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:01,130
aren't coming and going through

846
00:41:07,210 --> 00:41:03,410
stargates and wormholes but there are

847
00:41:09,609 --> 00:41:07,220
not all seraphim's well see now this is

848
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:09,619
that's that's a question that I you know

849
00:41:14,319 --> 00:41:12,530
can't answer with any certainty but it

850
00:41:17,470 --> 00:41:14,329
suggests to me and this is just my

851
00:41:19,329 --> 00:41:17,480
personal belief I'm fairly dogmatic

852
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:19,339
about it you know there's a hit movie

853
00:41:23,170 --> 00:41:21,530
out right now called interstellar with

854
00:41:24,579 --> 00:41:23,180
Matthew McConaughey I haven't seen it

855
00:41:27,010 --> 00:41:24,589
yet I've read about it I know the

856
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:27,020
premise I know Kip Thorne's work he's

857
00:41:32,050 --> 00:41:29,210
Caltech physicist who came up with the

858
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:32,060
idea of the traversable wormhole in the

859
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:34,609
1980s he worked along with dr. Carl

860
00:41:41,260 --> 00:41:37,970
Sagan I think he was a PhD I know Kip

861
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:41,270
Thorne is and they together they cooked

862
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:43,520
up the idea of the movie contact the

863
00:41:48,430 --> 00:41:46,310
first of the novel contact and then the

864
00:41:50,050 --> 00:41:48,440
movie which inspired so many people with

865
00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:50,060
Jodie Foster where they build this

866
00:41:55,420 --> 00:41:52,609
machine and they effectively flushed

867
00:41:58,170 --> 00:41:55,430
Jodie Foster through these this plumbing

868
00:42:00,490 --> 00:41:58,180
system and the cosmos that is

869
00:42:02,110 --> 00:42:00,500
contradicted by every single

870
00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:02,120
story I've ever read in the ancient

871
00:42:08,020 --> 00:42:04,310
world of the Seraphim coming and going

872
00:42:09,550 --> 00:42:08,030
and also of ancient extraterrestrials

873
00:42:11,890 --> 00:42:09,560
the ancient aliens because they're not

874
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:11,900
flying around in tin cans spaceships or

875
00:42:16,420 --> 00:42:14,720
warp drives flesh-and-blood can't

876
00:42:18,340 --> 00:42:16,430
inherit the kingdom of heaven is what

877
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:18,350
we're told in the Bible when we get

878
00:42:24,970 --> 00:42:22,570
beyond the boundary of our star system

879
00:42:27,220 --> 00:42:24,980
in order to travel the stars we're going

880
00:42:29,740 --> 00:42:27,230
to do it not in a flesh-and-blood form

881
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:29,750
not in a tin can form we're going to be

882
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:32,480
light beings and so when movies like

883
00:42:36,490 --> 00:42:34,880
interstellar continue to show this idea

884
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:36,500
that science says that we're going to be

885
00:42:40,570 --> 00:42:38,720
able to build a warp drive within the

886
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:40,580
next hundred years and evacuate the

887
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:42,890
planet yeah I wish him a lot of luck

888
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:44,960
because I do believe that there there is

889
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:47,210
a spiritual boundary that if they're

890
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:49,520
going to ever kick in the warp drive or

891
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:51,290
build wormhole drives they're going to

892
00:42:55,330 --> 00:42:52,850
have to kick in the spiritual drive

893
00:42:59,110 --> 00:42:55,340
first mm-hmm

894
00:43:02,020 --> 00:42:59,120
well you know it's I guess I'm I'm

895
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:02,030
interested in the and the physical form

896
00:43:08,890 --> 00:43:06,410
that humans take we take a human form

897
00:43:12,430 --> 00:43:08,900
we're spiritual beings with a with a

898
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:12,440
physical body that's that's what that

899
00:43:18,820 --> 00:43:15,890
that's I guess the philosophy as to why

900
00:43:21,370 --> 00:43:18,830
we are here because if we are spiritual

901
00:43:24,130 --> 00:43:21,380
beings or light beings you know why do

902
00:43:27,310 --> 00:43:24,140
we need the body you know why do we come

903
00:43:30,370 --> 00:43:27,320
down and or why do we allow ourselves to

904
00:43:32,740 --> 00:43:30,380
take this form if we are just going to

905
00:43:34,750 --> 00:43:32,750
go back to being a light being well

906
00:43:36,430 --> 00:43:34,760
that's where that's where the Gnostic

907
00:43:38,110 --> 00:43:36,440
perspective comes in and says that this

908
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:38,120
is a punishment being in a body as a

909
00:43:44,770 --> 00:43:43,130
punishment when remember were Adam and

910
00:43:46,990 --> 00:43:44,780
Eve are evicted from the Garden of Eden

911
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:47,000
the Old Testament God Yahweh Jehovah

912
00:43:51,130 --> 00:43:49,520
builds a gate at the East of Eden puts

913
00:43:52,930 --> 00:43:51,140
cherubim on either side of him in a

914
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:52,940
flashing flaming sword in the center of

915
00:43:57,490 --> 00:43:55,370
the gate says don't come back and he

916
00:44:01,030 --> 00:43:57,500
does something else he makes for Adam

917
00:44:04,030 --> 00:44:01,040
and Eve human human 'ti coats of skin

918
00:44:06,010 --> 00:44:04,040
that the traditional interpretation is

919
00:44:08,290 --> 00:44:06,020
that these are some sort of animal skin

920
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:08,300
but in the in the esoteric Jewish

921
00:44:13,809 --> 00:44:12,770
tradition the skin is human skin is that

922
00:44:16,269 --> 00:44:13,819
where you get

923
00:44:18,249 --> 00:44:16,279
the seraphim's are fallen they're fallen

924
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:18,259
and they become human it's that's the

925
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:20,089
definition of the word fallen they're no

926
00:44:25,180 --> 00:44:23,359
longer in their ethereal light being

927
00:44:27,249 --> 00:44:25,190
formed they've taken on flesh and blood

928
00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:27,259
that's the definition of fallen is the

929
00:44:31,620 --> 00:44:28,910
definition of evil it's also the

930
00:44:36,009 --> 00:44:31,630
definition of sin to be in a human body

931
00:44:39,969 --> 00:44:36,019
mm-hmm well because because it's so so

932
00:44:43,509 --> 00:44:39,979
all humans are basically the the Fallen

933
00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:43,519
seraphim's and you know they're I don't

934
00:44:47,529 --> 00:44:45,529
know that they're all Fallen Seraphim

935
00:44:50,979 --> 00:44:47,539
they're all that their fallen beings

936
00:44:53,439 --> 00:44:50,989
fallen light beings yeah and what that

937
00:44:57,009 --> 00:44:53,449
means to me is that we are not fallen

938
00:44:59,380 --> 00:44:57,019
and to be to be a fallen being into a

939
00:45:01,749 --> 00:44:59,390
being who lives in sin means you are not

940
00:45:06,969 --> 00:45:01,759
in your light body it means you're not

941
00:45:09,489 --> 00:45:06,979
in your glory body mm-hmm you know so so

942
00:45:13,329 --> 00:45:09,499
you live this life you pass away I mean

943
00:45:16,479 --> 00:45:13,339
your body dies and and you go to back go

944
00:45:19,660 --> 00:45:16,489
back to being a light being but you come

945
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:19,670
back to be further purified is that

946
00:45:23,439 --> 00:45:20,170
right

947
00:45:27,370 --> 00:45:23,449
that's one way of viewing it yes okay

948
00:45:30,759 --> 00:45:27,380
okay well I'm just I'm trying to to get

949
00:45:32,289 --> 00:45:30,769
a handle on on a lot of the things that

950
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:32,299
you're bringing up because I'm new to

951
00:45:38,529 --> 00:45:35,359
this but then you come back and you also

952
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:38,539
talk about the the seraphs as being the

953
00:45:44,620 --> 00:45:42,410
Watchers so so are is that a different

954
00:45:48,189 --> 00:45:44,630
group of seraphim's or are we all

955
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:48,199
Watchers or how does that work into this

956
00:45:57,699 --> 00:45:52,930
the Watchers is a name given to a

957
00:45:59,319 --> 00:45:57,709
specific group of angels the term as far

958
00:46:02,829 --> 00:45:59,329
as I can tell originates with the

959
00:46:04,660 --> 00:46:02,839
Essenes okay there so there with the

960
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:04,670
escena that it originates with the

961
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:07,359
Essenes the the group that produced

962
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:11,599
mother Mary Christ and that and John the

963
00:46:14,289 --> 00:46:13,249
Baptist and that group is that right

964
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:14,299
exactly

965
00:46:18,849 --> 00:46:16,160
okay are they part of an elite group

966
00:46:23,769 --> 00:46:18,859
that are supposed to be like leaders of

967
00:46:26,979 --> 00:46:23,779
humankind well yes I mean that's how we

968
00:46:27,220 --> 00:46:26,989
interpret them you have to remember kind

969
00:46:34,030 --> 00:46:27,230
of the

970
00:46:36,070 --> 00:46:34,040
Jewish mystics they were they were

971
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:36,080
operating in there in the Temple of

972
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:38,450
Solomon which had been newly refurbished

973
00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:41,359
and then it was taken over by the the

974
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:43,310
Ptolemies who were the successors of

975
00:46:48,849 --> 00:46:45,250
Alexander the Great who began

976
00:46:51,580 --> 00:46:48,859
desecrating the temple and so part of

977
00:46:53,470 --> 00:46:51,590
the Essenes left and went to Egypt where

978
00:46:57,010 --> 00:46:53,480
they built the duplicate of Solomon's

979
00:47:00,490 --> 00:46:57,020
Temple and this is where they they in

980
00:47:03,460 --> 00:47:00,500
they started writing about a a super

981
00:47:05,740 --> 00:47:03,470
hero they called him Enoch the Trent the

982
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:05,750
translated man he's mentioned one time

983
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:08,330
and the in the Old Testament is saying

984
00:47:14,770 --> 00:47:11,690
that he was he walks with God and they

985
00:47:16,510 --> 00:47:14,780
took Enoch as a model of a human that

986
00:47:19,060 --> 00:47:16,520
could cross over the boundary between

987
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:19,070
the earthly and the in the divine realm

988
00:47:25,330 --> 00:47:23,210
and so in addition to focusing on Enoch

989
00:47:27,660 --> 00:47:25,340
and this promise that humans could

990
00:47:30,700 --> 00:47:27,670
actually take it upon themselves to

991
00:47:33,070 --> 00:47:30,710
ascend to the throne of God with or

992
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:33,080
without God's permission they also

993
00:47:39,010 --> 00:47:35,810
started writing about the Watchers as

994
00:47:42,550 --> 00:47:39,020
well as this group of fallen angels who

995
00:47:45,490 --> 00:47:42,560
are responsible for the flood they were

996
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:45,500
they were responsible for all kinds of

997
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:50,090
problems for Humanity and when scholars

998
00:47:53,890 --> 00:47:52,400
get into that they're they're confronted

999
00:47:55,810 --> 00:47:53,900
with a choice you have to either

1000
00:47:57,460 --> 00:47:55,820
interpret the watchers as a group of

1001
00:48:00,880 --> 00:47:57,470
angels who came from some celestial

1002
00:48:04,210 --> 00:48:00,890
region as some do or you interpret them

1003
00:48:06,460 --> 00:48:04,220
as the the priesthood of the temple who

1004
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:06,470
desecrated the temple and were fallen

1005
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:07,850
ones because of it and are letting

1006
00:48:12,550 --> 00:48:10,250
leading the people astray well but you

1007
00:48:16,030 --> 00:48:12,560
also said something here that the

1008
00:48:19,359 --> 00:48:16,040
Essenes were part of the Jews which to

1009
00:48:22,980 --> 00:48:19,369
common people the Jews were considered

1010
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:22,990
the chosen ones or the chosen race is

1011
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:26,240
are they still are they are they still

1012
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:29,330
considered the chosen ones or or how

1013
00:48:35,050 --> 00:48:32,480
does that relate to to where we are now

1014
00:48:39,730 --> 00:48:35,060
because when Christ came of course

1015
00:48:41,050 --> 00:48:39,740
Christ wanted to expand the idea of the

1016
00:48:44,170 --> 00:48:41,060
chosen to

1017
00:48:48,210 --> 00:48:44,180
the Gentiles which was everybody else in

1018
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:48,220
addition to the Jews so so the Jews and

1019
00:48:54,340 --> 00:48:52,160
have a a role as being kind of the

1020
00:48:58,210 --> 00:48:54,350
chosen ones is that is for that be a

1021
00:49:01,000 --> 00:48:58,220
fair statement at that time yeah I would

1022
00:49:02,620 --> 00:49:01,010
and certainly I know the Jewish people

1023
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:02,630
still believe there they're the chosen

1024
00:49:07,150 --> 00:49:03,920
ones and I understand what you're saying

1025
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:07,160
about about Jesus wanting to throw open

1026
00:49:12,940 --> 00:49:10,250
the gate of heaven to do everybody and

1027
00:49:16,090 --> 00:49:12,950
that's a that's actually a core piece of

1028
00:49:18,730 --> 00:49:16,100
the of the Essene work at that time is

1029
00:49:20,590 --> 00:49:18,740
that they were they were looking to that

1030
00:49:23,380 --> 00:49:20,600
what they had discovered is that that

1031
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:23,390
that boundary that supposedly separated

1032
00:49:28,330 --> 00:49:25,490
the human in the divine was in fact

1033
00:49:30,610 --> 00:49:28,340
permeable and so through their stories

1034
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:30,620
their ascension stories about Enoch

1035
00:49:35,620 --> 00:49:32,960
ascending to the heavenly throne they

1036
00:49:38,050 --> 00:49:35,630
were hoping to show that anyone could

1037
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:38,060
actually go through this process of

1038
00:49:43,690 --> 00:49:40,970
ascension and become pure enough like

1039
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:43,700
the Essenes and actually transform

1040
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:46,160
themselves into an angelic being and

1041
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:49,520
enter the heavenly realms mm-hmm so it

1042
00:49:56,620 --> 00:49:52,730
so the Jewish people and the scenes

1043
00:50:00,430 --> 00:49:56,630
which are like a sect of the Jewish

1044
00:50:03,490 --> 00:50:00,440
group or grew ish people they were

1045
00:50:06,340 --> 00:50:03,500
already more purified than the other

1046
00:50:07,900 --> 00:50:06,350
people is that right they believe so

1047
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:07,910
yeah I mean they were they were more

1048
00:50:12,940 --> 00:50:10,970
obsessed with purity than others and the

1049
00:50:16,450 --> 00:50:12,950
reason why is what they were trying to

1050
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:16,460
do was to transform their body into a

1051
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:19,610
vehicle capable of holding what we would

1052
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:22,400
today think of as the Christ energy and

1053
00:50:28,420 --> 00:50:25,280
so they were this they were they

1054
00:50:31,540 --> 00:50:28,430
segregated themselves they were obsessed

1055
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:31,550
with purity they chanted they meditated

1056
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:35,170
they ate pure food in hopes of

1057
00:50:40,420 --> 00:50:38,570
transforming their DNA literally into a

1058
00:50:43,090 --> 00:50:40,430
vehicle that would be capable of

1059
00:50:45,580 --> 00:50:43,100
manifesting this christ-like being that

1060
00:50:48,220 --> 00:50:45,590
we know of is is ultimately manifesting

1061
00:50:51,580 --> 00:50:48,230
as Jesus but it's Jesus yeah it was so

1062
00:50:54,410 --> 00:50:51,590
so in a way earth and being human is

1063
00:50:57,079 --> 00:50:54,420
kind of a purgatory you know

1064
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:57,089
mean by that by purgatory it so it's a

1065
00:51:03,470 --> 00:51:00,480
cleansing time or it's a cleansing a way

1066
00:51:06,770 --> 00:51:03,480
for people to cleanse themselves their

1067
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:06,780
souls so that they can reach a higher

1068
00:51:13,420 --> 00:51:10,170
realm yeah I would absolutely go along

1069
00:51:18,020 --> 00:51:13,430
with that okay so so the earth and and

1070
00:51:23,359 --> 00:51:18,030
humanity is part of that cleansing

1071
00:51:25,789 --> 00:51:23,369
because basically the human taking a

1072
00:51:27,770 --> 00:51:25,799
human form we got to work out the kinks

1073
00:51:29,809 --> 00:51:27,780
this is where we're working out kinks

1074
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:29,819
and this is where we learned to be good

1075
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:31,770
to one another or whatever so those

1076
00:51:37,339 --> 00:51:34,170
people so those people that are not good

1077
00:51:41,930 --> 00:51:37,349
like a serial killer or they got a long

1078
00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:41,940
way to go yeah you know the Tibetan so I

1079
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:43,500
mean it's like what good is knowing

1080
00:51:48,260 --> 00:51:45,210
about the rainbow body the resurrection

1081
00:51:50,420 --> 00:51:48,270
body the the the glory body and the idea

1082
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:50,430
is is that you're not going through this

1083
00:51:55,010 --> 00:51:52,559
process of Ascension necessarily to go

1084
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:55,020
to another place but rather to transform

1085
00:52:01,339 --> 00:51:58,319
this place to glorify the earth to

1086
00:52:03,380 --> 00:52:01,349
glorify God by glorifying the God by

1087
00:52:06,319 --> 00:52:03,390
glorifying the earth and raising it to a

1088
00:52:10,430 --> 00:52:06,329
higher level of vibration itself mm-hmm

1089
00:52:15,069 --> 00:52:10,440
okay yeah because it just seems that it

1090
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:15,079
seems like other entities may use this

1091
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:18,960
this forum we call earth to work out

1092
00:52:24,890 --> 00:52:23,730
other issues and you know I it just what

1093
00:52:27,620 --> 00:52:24,900
you're doing is you're giving me a

1094
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:27,630
different perspective of the Jewish

1095
00:52:36,620 --> 00:52:31,200
people of seraphim's and so on so forth

1096
00:52:39,859 --> 00:52:36,630
and it seems like this is a part of a

1097
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:39,869
total picture now we're gonna take a

1098
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:42,240
break here into a few minutes and so I

1099
00:52:50,180 --> 00:52:46,160
want to continue this particular line of

1100
00:52:54,289 --> 00:52:50,190
discussion but in our next hour I'd like

1101
00:52:59,480 --> 00:52:54,299
to get into the art and I'd like to get

1102
00:53:03,710 --> 00:52:59,490
into the artists that you use to use as

1103
00:53:04,940 --> 00:53:03,720
evidence of your philosophy and and then

1104
00:53:06,740 --> 00:53:04,950
talk a little bit more about the Dead

1105
00:53:08,270 --> 00:53:06,750
Sea Scrolls because I think that that's

1106
00:53:11,450 --> 00:53:08,280
very revealing I

1107
00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:11,460
when there was several of them found I

1108
00:53:16,010 --> 00:53:13,980
believe in the 70s and I know the

1109
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:16,020
Catholic Church didn't want them didn't

1110
00:53:20,750 --> 00:53:17,609
want everything revealed all at once

1111
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:20,760
from what I'm told but if you could tell

1112
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:22,770
us some of that stuff and and of course

1113
00:53:28,430 --> 00:53:24,930
we want to know more about your book too

1114
00:53:30,410 --> 00:53:28,440
but from from what I'm gathering is is

1115
00:53:33,530 --> 00:53:30,420
that you're being very specific about

1116
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:33,540
the seraphim's how the seraphim's who

1117
00:53:41,540 --> 00:53:37,650
are closest to God also use that God

1118
00:53:45,310 --> 00:53:41,550
energy while they take human form here

1119
00:53:50,570 --> 00:53:45,320
on earth and and it brings up a lot of

1120
00:53:51,950 --> 00:53:50,580
other issues as far as the status of

1121
00:53:55,010 --> 00:53:51,960
different people because you know we

1122
00:53:58,370 --> 00:53:55,020
have poor people we have middle class we

1123
00:53:59,690 --> 00:53:58,380
have the the we have rich people we have

1124
00:54:03,349 --> 00:53:59,700
different people that consider

1125
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:03,359
themselves better than others and and so

1126
00:54:08,210 --> 00:54:05,130
it sounds like there are just different

1127
00:54:11,859 --> 00:54:08,220
levels of consciousness from what you're

1128
00:54:14,570 --> 00:54:11,869
talking about and and different ways of

1129
00:54:16,339 --> 00:54:14,580
learning to purify their spirit does

1130
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:16,349
that make sense yeah it sure does

1131
00:54:21,380 --> 00:54:19,410
absolutely okay does your book get into

1132
00:54:23,690 --> 00:54:21,390
that I mean I from what I was reading

1133
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:23,700
you you talked about Enoch and you

1134
00:54:30,970 --> 00:54:27,930
talked about the Watchers and I'm also

1135
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:30,980
curious though about spirit guides and

1136
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:36,089
entities that speak to us as humans what

1137
00:54:45,260 --> 00:54:40,050
is your take on that you know I I don't

1138
00:54:48,170 --> 00:54:45,270
really get that much into that I'm I I

1139
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:48,180
do a little bit of thinking and and

1140
00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:51,210
research on the area of of the twin

1141
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:53,730
concept that we that there's just a

1142
00:54:58,099 --> 00:54:56,490
small part of our self is is actually

1143
00:55:00,920 --> 00:54:58,109
having this human experience that we

1144
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:00,930
have a our perfected light being self

1145
00:55:05,180 --> 00:55:03,330
already exists in and dwells in those

1146
00:55:08,359 --> 00:55:05,190
that perfect realm whether whether you

1147
00:55:10,370 --> 00:55:08,369
call it Sion or the Pure Land or

1148
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:10,380
whatever term you you choose to use for

1149
00:55:17,060 --> 00:55:14,730
it and so that's about the extent of it

1150
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:17,070
I don't I'm not don't do that much with

1151
00:55:21,380 --> 00:55:19,050
spirit guides and that sort of time oh

1152
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:21,390
you don't okay well the reason why I say

1153
00:55:25,390 --> 00:55:21,920
that is the

1154
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:25,400
because in my line of work I see spirit

1155
00:55:30,130 --> 00:55:28,730
all around me I mean my wife she wakes

1156
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:30,140
up in the middle of the night and the

1157
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:32,510
dog and I are watching these spirits and

1158
00:55:37,870 --> 00:55:35,359
as she goes what are you guys doing what

1159
00:55:39,819 --> 00:55:37,880
are you doing and they all clearly sees

1160
00:55:43,539 --> 00:55:39,829
them but I could clearly see it she just

1161
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:43,549
thinks I'm just really strange but but

1162
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:46,490
but but that I do that for a living I

1163
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:49,520
see spirit and I speak to people who are

1164
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:52,609
who congregate around other people you

1165
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:54,799
know when a loved one passes away they

1166
00:56:01,780 --> 00:55:57,530
go to another dimension some people call

1167
00:56:04,539 --> 00:56:01,790
it heaven but but they certainly stay

1168
00:56:06,940 --> 00:56:04,549
with us or they stay around us and we

1169
00:56:11,020 --> 00:56:06,950
talk about moving and soul groups and we

1170
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:11,030
talk about about about how our past

1171
00:56:16,030 --> 00:56:13,730
lives and how we work on different

1172
00:56:18,359 --> 00:56:16,040
issues that we may have may not have

1173
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:18,369
completed working on in a previous

1174
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:22,970
incarnation and and so it's just it's

1175
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:24,530
just a little bit different perspective

1176
00:56:29,620 --> 00:56:26,930
from what what you're coming from but

1177
00:56:34,900 --> 00:56:29,630
what's your what you're saying fits it

1178
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:34,910
just is it just allows the mind to go

1179
00:56:40,420 --> 00:56:38,450
into another area so which is which is

1180
00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:40,430
good which is good and that's what I

1181
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:42,910
think that it's it's all about now

1182
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:45,920
before we go to the next before we go to

1183
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:49,040
break here now some people say that

1184
00:56:52,539 --> 00:56:52,010
ancient aliens are aliens are among us

1185
00:56:55,180 --> 00:56:52,549
right now

1186
00:56:58,839 --> 00:56:55,190
like the palladiums and and the greys

1187
00:57:02,200 --> 00:56:58,849
and and what what do you say about these

1188
00:57:05,770 --> 00:57:02,210
other entities that may be walking the

1189
00:57:08,740 --> 00:57:05,780
earth or maybe around us now what what

1190
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:08,750
do you say about those well get out

1191
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:12,319
there's AI not so much a researcher of

1192
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:15,290
some of the current affairs in terms of

1193
00:57:21,970 --> 00:57:17,680
are in interaction with

1194
00:57:23,950 --> 00:57:21,980
extraterrestrials I kind of keep up with

1195
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:23,960
it a little bit when you know people are

1196
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:25,130
talking about interaction with

1197
00:57:33,210 --> 00:57:29,450
Pleiadians or other beings so much of

1198
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:33,220
what I see in the kind of the disclosure

1199
00:57:37,780 --> 00:57:35,690
movement with the disclosure of

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00:57:42,250 --> 00:57:37,790
the extra-terrestrial presence seems to

1201
00:57:44,410 --> 00:57:42,260
be focused on technology and them them

1202
00:57:46,330 --> 00:57:44,420
giving to humanity free energy

1203
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:46,340
technologies for example and things such

1204
00:57:52,810 --> 00:57:50,720
as that and part of my resistance to

1205
00:57:56,860 --> 00:57:52,820
really get delving into that more deeply

1206
00:57:59,440 --> 00:57:56,870
is there's just not enough of a

1207
00:58:02,710 --> 00:57:59,450
spiritual component to it for me I mean

1208
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:02,720
people think that these all aliens just

1209
00:58:07,810 --> 00:58:05,090
write around and in Hardware spaceships

1210
00:58:08,830 --> 00:58:07,820
flying Toyotas basically that and that

1211
00:58:11,020 --> 00:58:08,840
they're maybe just a couple hundred

1212
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:11,030
years in advance of us evolutionarily

1213
00:58:15,820 --> 00:58:14,090
and technologically speaking and from

1214
00:58:17,380 --> 00:58:15,830
what I've seen I think we're when we

1215
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:17,390
like what we're talking about with some

1216
00:58:21,010 --> 00:58:19,040
of the biblical beings the Seraphim and

1217
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:21,020
others we're talking about way more

1218
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:24,050
advanced beings than that that offer the

1219
00:58:29,500 --> 00:58:27,920
promise of a spiritual transformation or

1220
00:58:31,690 --> 00:58:29,510
underpinning to the experience and

1221
00:58:33,790 --> 00:58:31,700
that's what I'm focused on okay all

1222
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:33,800
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voyageurs radio here on the inception

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evening Jon Capello and I'm a psychic

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medium from the North Texas area and I

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have a favor to ask of the audience

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tonight if they don't mind right now

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there's a survey going on by the Times

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Square press and they are doing a survey

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of the top psychics and mediums in the

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country in the United States and

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actually in the world and currently I'm

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ranked fourth and I'd appreciate it if

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you might just put in a good word for me

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just go to Times Square press calm /

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lightworkers I'll put it in the chat

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room for you and if you could vote for

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me as a top medium and as taught as a

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top psychic you can just send that vote

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to this email address and so you might

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want to write this down it's called New

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York gate at aol.com it's New York Gate

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at aol.com so if you could do that I'd

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appreciate it I'm just expanding my work

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and expanding the my sphere of influence

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so if you could help me in that

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particular

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01:04:32,609 --> 01:04:30,940
karol already has it on there that's

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01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:32,619
nice thank you Carol in the chat room

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01:04:38,700 --> 01:04:36,160
but with that I want to kind of get back

1341
01:04:41,789 --> 01:04:38,710
to our topic tonight tonight we're

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01:04:45,930 --> 01:04:41,799
talking to mr. William Henry of ancient

1343
01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:45,940
aliens and he is also an author a radio

1344
01:04:53,579 --> 01:04:50,049
talk-show host an expert on seraphim

1345
01:04:56,339 --> 01:04:53,589
angels and we've had quite the new quite

1346
01:04:58,920 --> 01:04:56,349
the discussion about seraphim's

1347
01:05:01,410 --> 01:04:58,930
throughout history about who they are

1348
01:05:04,829 --> 01:05:01,420
how we relate to them

1349
01:05:09,690 --> 01:05:04,839
what it means to be human as far as

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01:05:13,140 --> 01:05:09,700
being in in in this human form and and

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01:05:15,870 --> 01:05:13,150
I'm gonna let William to tell us a

1352
01:05:19,230 --> 01:05:15,880
little bit more about that but William

1353
01:05:21,900 --> 01:05:19,240
you were talking about how being a human

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01:05:24,650 --> 01:05:21,910
is I guess in a way you said punishment

1355
01:05:27,059 --> 01:05:24,660
or that we're kind of in a in a

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01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:27,069
purgatory would would you would you say

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01:05:32,670 --> 01:05:30,160
that William are you still there yes

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01:05:34,170 --> 01:05:32,680
thank you John yeah and thank you

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01:05:36,690 --> 01:05:34,180
everybody for coming back after the

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01:05:39,299 --> 01:05:36,700
break is that that is the Gnostic

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01:05:42,530 --> 01:05:39,309
perspective that this is a prison planet

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01:05:45,630 --> 01:05:42,540
it's a plantation planet that there are

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01:05:48,030 --> 01:05:45,640
predatory beings out there that feed off

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01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:48,040
human energy their primary interest

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01:05:54,030 --> 01:05:51,730
seems to be in in feeding off our

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01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:54,040
luminous light body this is something

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01:05:58,829 --> 01:05:57,010
that we all essentially have as our core

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01:06:01,140 --> 01:05:58,839
when we're born according to some

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01:06:03,780 --> 01:06:01,150
perspectives and these these predatory

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01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:03,790
beings call them archons or other terms

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01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:05,890
seem to feed off the human energy field

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01:06:13,500 --> 01:06:09,210
and part of what we need to do is to to

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01:06:15,839 --> 01:06:13,510
just stay away from to use a Christian

1374
01:06:18,510 --> 01:06:15,849
term sinful behavior from anger fear

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01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:18,520
jealousy disbelief all those sorts of

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01:06:24,299 --> 01:06:21,450
things that that keep our vibration

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01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:24,309
tuned to that that low those lower

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01:06:31,230 --> 01:06:26,880
frequencies are those lower domains and

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01:06:33,299 --> 01:06:31,240
build up our our light body is is as a

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01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:33,309
way of not only at shirring our own

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01:06:39,450 --> 01:06:36,640
individual ascension but also preserving

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01:06:43,410 --> 01:06:39,460
the entire planet in fact hmm so do you

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01:06:46,020 --> 01:06:43,420
come from a agnostic position I would

1384
01:06:51,839 --> 01:06:46,030
have to say I do I mean I lean towards

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01:06:53,309 --> 01:06:51,849
that I'm a bit of a hybrid and for some

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01:06:58,079 --> 01:06:53,319
people and it gets tough to handle

1387
01:07:00,930 --> 01:06:58,089
because I'm not I'm a believer in Christ

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01:07:03,059 --> 01:07:00,940
I believe that I believe most of the

1389
01:07:05,490 --> 01:07:03,069
Christian story about Christ and have

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01:07:08,190 --> 01:07:05,500
spent the past 25 years or so in fact

1391
01:07:11,099 --> 01:07:08,200
researching that story I'm fixated on on

1392
01:07:14,190 --> 01:07:11,109
the the resurrection the Transfiguration

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01:07:15,370 --> 01:07:14,200
and resurrection of Jesus as a not as an

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01:07:17,769 --> 01:07:15,380
ideal that one purse

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01:07:21,970 --> 01:07:17,779
accomplished but is one that all people

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01:07:24,999 --> 01:07:21,980
have the capability of fulfilling that

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01:07:29,019 --> 01:07:25,009
the Transfiguration and resurrection so

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01:07:31,299 --> 01:07:29,029
I'm I'm very very comfortable and in in

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01:07:33,460 --> 01:07:31,309
talking about those kinds of ideas which

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01:07:35,980 --> 01:07:33,470
are traditionally considered to be you

1401
01:07:38,769 --> 01:07:35,990
know Christian sacred cows but they're

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01:07:41,499 --> 01:07:38,779
really not in my opinion I mean that we

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01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:41,509
talk in terms of of Christ as a as a

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01:07:45,700 --> 01:07:43,250
being but we don't often get into the

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01:07:48,099 --> 01:07:45,710
the conversation of Christ as a as a

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01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:48,109
cosmic being as a star child as in fact

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01:07:54,609 --> 01:07:51,410
an alien being who came here and and

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01:07:56,650 --> 01:07:54,619
followed the story of his his emergence

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01:07:59,349 --> 01:07:56,660
into this world and the preparation that

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01:08:03,099 --> 01:07:59,359
was undergone in preparation for the

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01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:03,109
arrival of that being and then then the

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01:08:06,849 --> 01:08:04,970
ultimate mission and how the church took

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01:08:09,269 --> 01:08:06,859
it over and pretty much came up with its

1414
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:09,279
own version of the story and what was

1415
01:08:16,059 --> 01:08:12,130
essentially lost is that the religion of

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01:08:17,530 --> 01:08:16,069
Jesus those those those first teachings

1417
01:08:19,539 --> 01:08:17,540
I mean you talk about primitive

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01:08:22,300 --> 01:08:19,549
Christianity and people usually have no

1419
01:08:24,519 --> 01:08:22,310
idea what you're talking about they just

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01:08:26,740 --> 01:08:24,529
don't have a an understanding of the

1421
01:08:29,189 --> 01:08:26,750
context out of which Christianity

1422
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:29,199
emerged and how it was formulated and

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01:08:35,530 --> 01:08:32,449
transformed through the centuries mm-hmm

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01:08:39,370 --> 01:08:35,540
well you know you talk about Gnosticism

1425
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:39,380
from from a person's another person's

1426
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:41,600
perspective you might say a Christian

1427
01:08:46,899 --> 01:08:44,449
believes in God an atheist doesn't

1428
01:08:50,169 --> 01:08:46,909
believe in God and the agnostic

1429
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:50,179
aren't quite sure actually I would put

1430
01:08:55,050 --> 01:08:52,489
it this way you know you're you're

1431
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:55,060
talking most Christians talk theology

1432
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:57,679
which is which is God talk they talk

1433
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:01,040
about God a lot the Gnostics

1434
01:09:07,450 --> 01:09:04,130
Aarthi urges which means they do God's

1435
01:09:10,030 --> 01:09:07,460
work there's there's a big difference

1436
01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:10,040
between talking about God and doing

1437
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:12,409
God's work well from what I remember in

1438
01:09:19,930 --> 01:09:14,810
Gnosticism started I think in northern

1439
01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:19,940
Africa and an Augustine was a was kind

1440
01:09:28,660 --> 01:09:24,409
of a an offshoot of the Gnostics which

1441
01:09:33,010 --> 01:09:28,670
were which were an intellectual group

1442
01:09:35,950 --> 01:09:33,020
yeah and a group that had an explanation

1443
01:09:39,490 --> 01:09:35,960
for for just about for a lot of things

1444
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:39,500
and and then I've kind of morphed into

1445
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:42,290
what appear to be a little more negative

1446
01:09:47,950 --> 01:09:45,530
later but to me it did but I'd encourage

1447
01:09:52,090 --> 01:09:47,960
you to go back to Plato as your source

1448
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:52,100
well Plato is the idealist he's the one

1449
01:10:01,180 --> 01:09:56,170
that brings up the the idea of the soul

1450
01:10:05,010 --> 01:10:01,190
getting reincarnated and being being

1451
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:05,020
kind of recycled if you want to call it

1452
01:10:10,810 --> 01:10:08,210
aristotle kind of change that he kind of

1453
01:10:12,970 --> 01:10:10,820
got to the point to where he said no the

1454
01:10:15,700 --> 01:10:12,980
soul doesn't come back and a

1455
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:15,710
christianity adopted the Aristotelian

1456
01:10:21,970 --> 01:10:19,130
idea after thomas aquinas that's kind of

1457
01:10:24,150 --> 01:10:21,980
what I've been to I tell my my own my

1458
01:10:25,780 --> 01:10:24,160
listeners the flipping point of

1459
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:25,790
Christianity because at one time

1460
01:10:32,170 --> 01:10:28,370
Christianity did believe in in the

1461
01:10:36,370 --> 01:10:32,180
platonic or idealistic philosophy of the

1462
01:10:37,810 --> 01:10:36,380
recycled soul so so I understand I

1463
01:10:41,020 --> 01:10:37,820
understand we can talk about Plato

1464
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:41,030
because Plato believed in a priori as

1465
01:10:45,340 --> 01:10:43,280
opposed to a pasta or are you familiar

1466
01:10:49,860 --> 01:10:45,350
are you familiar with those terms

1467
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:49,870
no okay a priori is the Latin term for

1468
01:10:58,960 --> 01:10:53,440
believing or knowing that the soul

1469
01:11:02,770 --> 01:10:58,970
existed prior to you being born and an

1470
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:02,780
Aristotle believed a pasta re where the

1471
01:11:09,730 --> 01:11:05,570
soul crew was created at the spark of

1472
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:09,740
life basically so so you are you are

1473
01:11:17,140 --> 01:11:12,770
talking about the a priori or the the

1474
01:11:20,830 --> 01:11:17,150
the the soul existing for eternity and

1475
01:11:25,630 --> 01:11:20,840
and it began somewhere if God created

1476
01:11:28,990 --> 01:11:25,640
the soul and then it took human form and

1477
01:11:31,540 --> 01:11:29,000
then and then it constantly remembers

1478
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:31,550
it's a it's a it's a process of

1479
01:11:36,940 --> 01:11:34,610
remembering and and so that's that's

1480
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:36,950
kind of the the philosophy that that I

1481
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:40,370
have kind of worked from and and based a

1482
01:11:45,410 --> 01:11:41,130
lot of my

1483
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:45,420
work from as well so it just it seems

1484
01:11:49,790 --> 01:11:47,040
like a lot of the stuff you're saying

1485
01:11:51,470 --> 01:11:49,800
fits fits into it it just comes from a

1486
01:11:54,590 --> 01:11:51,480
different just a slightly different

1487
01:11:56,210 --> 01:11:54,600
perspective yeah sure but while while

1488
01:12:00,500 --> 01:11:56,220
we're on that you know you hear a lot

1489
01:12:02,180 --> 01:12:00,510
about the Illuminati and how is your

1490
01:12:04,430 --> 01:12:02,190
work work

1491
01:12:09,140 --> 01:12:04,440
figure in with the Illuminati and and

1492
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:09,150
that kind of protective idea of Christ

1493
01:12:14,570 --> 01:12:11,730
and and people who are part of that

1494
01:12:19,130 --> 01:12:14,580
group what is uh what is your take on

1495
01:12:21,530 --> 01:12:19,140
that you know I was thrown a sort of a

1496
01:12:23,180 --> 01:12:21,540
curveball one day when I went into

1497
01:12:25,490 --> 01:12:23,190
Webster's dictionary and I looked up the

1498
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:25,500
word Illuminati and the earliest

1499
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:28,050
reference to it was that the definition

1500
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:30,000
of Illuminati was newly baptized

1501
01:12:34,490 --> 01:12:32,640
Christian initiate they called

1502
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:34,500
themselves the Illuminati the illumine

1503
01:12:38,900 --> 01:12:36,330
once and there their symbol was a

1504
01:12:40,910 --> 01:12:38,910
lighted candle which represented their

1505
01:12:43,670 --> 01:12:40,920
illumination and the awakening of their

1506
01:12:45,710 --> 01:12:43,680
higher consciousness mm-hmm so I started

1507
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:45,720
down this road and thinking well okay so

1508
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:47,280
the first Christians were the first

1509
01:12:51,710 --> 01:12:49,530
Illuminati and then of course this term

1510
01:12:54,350 --> 01:12:51,720
like many of these terms gets adopted

1511
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:54,360
and hijacked by by other groups and

1512
01:13:01,160 --> 01:12:56,850
pretty soon it's got a very clouded

1513
01:13:03,950 --> 01:13:01,170
meaning but that started me down a path

1514
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:03,960
I wrote a book in 2003 called cloak of

1515
01:13:09,230 --> 01:13:06,960
the Illuminati that actually dovetails

1516
01:13:11,870 --> 01:13:09,240
with our conversation about the Watchers

1517
01:13:14,270 --> 01:13:11,880
because the Watchers are famous for

1518
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:14,280
creating a hybrid race called the

1519
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:17,280
Nephilim who were very often referred to

1520
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:20,850
also as the fallen ones and this word

1521
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:24,480
and a filum is far far from settled in

1522
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:26,130
terms of its definition I mean the

1523
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:27,840
meaning of Nephilim is completely

1524
01:13:32,420 --> 01:13:30,090
uncertain people think it's certain that

1525
01:13:34,370 --> 01:13:32,430
it means the fallen or the Giants or

1526
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:34,380
things such as this but when you

1527
01:13:39,770 --> 01:13:36,690
actually get into some of the the Hebrew

1528
01:13:42,260 --> 01:13:39,780
and in English lexicons round driver

1529
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:42,270
Briggs and others you find out that the

1530
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:46,080
Nephilim it refers to angels who ride on

1531
01:13:51,170 --> 01:13:49,530
clouds and when I looked at that I'm

1532
01:13:54,140 --> 01:13:51,180
realizing that wait a minute the cloud

1533
01:13:54,830 --> 01:13:54,150
is simply a symbol for an elevated

1534
01:13:57,229 --> 01:13:54,840
consciousness

1535
01:13:59,660 --> 01:13:57,239
Christ rides around in a cloud you

1536
01:14:02,270 --> 01:13:59,670
wouldn't dare call Christ a fallen being

1537
01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:02,280
because he rides on a cloud so there's

1538
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:04,560
there's various levels of these these

1539
01:14:08,959 --> 01:14:06,330
definitions but the point I was going to

1540
01:14:10,580 --> 01:14:08,969
make about them about the the Nephilim

1541
01:14:13,729 --> 01:14:10,590
is that they're often referred to as

1542
01:14:17,089 --> 01:14:13,739
giants and you have you have various

1543
01:14:19,700 --> 01:14:17,099
researchers out there that say that the

1544
01:14:21,470 --> 01:14:19,710
Giants exist the Nephilim exist and

1545
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:21,480
they're out all around the world digging

1546
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:23,280
up bones there they're looking for nine

1547
01:14:27,410 --> 01:14:25,290
and 12-foot skeletons and saying these

1548
01:14:29,839 --> 01:14:27,420
are these are the Giants these are the

1549
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:29,849
the bones of the Nephilim and and that

1550
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:32,159
could well be I don't have any way of

1551
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:34,800
absolutely proving that that they are or

1552
01:14:39,500 --> 01:14:35,489
are not

1553
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:39,510
but again in my research I was thrown a

1554
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:41,610
curveball when I started really looking

1555
01:14:47,780 --> 01:14:44,880
into the Giants and then a filum who are

1556
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:47,790
also referred to as the mighty ones and

1557
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:49,650
why were they called the mighty ones and

1558
01:14:52,850 --> 01:14:51,570
the answer was is because they were

1559
01:14:55,609 --> 01:14:52,860
called the mighty ones because they

1560
01:14:59,570 --> 01:14:55,619
possessed a cloak or a garment of light

1561
01:15:02,479 --> 01:14:59,580
that made them superhuman beings that

1562
01:15:04,970 --> 01:15:02,489
made them in fact glorious beings they

1563
01:15:06,020 --> 01:15:04,980
are also called the men of renown which

1564
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:06,030
means glory

1565
01:15:13,100 --> 01:15:08,250
these are glorious beings and the word

1566
01:15:14,839 --> 01:15:13,110
glory means literally to glow rays so

1567
01:15:18,830 --> 01:15:14,849
what this is saying is that these

1568
01:15:21,290 --> 01:15:18,840
Nephilim these offspring of the Watchers

1569
01:15:24,649 --> 01:15:21,300
and the human females

1570
01:15:27,470 --> 01:15:24,659
then if we're beings that glowed rays

1571
01:15:30,260 --> 01:15:27,480
and possess this cloak or garment of

1572
01:15:33,620 --> 01:15:30,270
light that turns out according to the

1573
01:15:36,169 --> 01:15:33,630
stories was transmittable Adam Adam

1574
01:15:38,629 --> 01:15:36,179
possessed it Enoch possessed it

1575
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:38,639
Nimrod possessed it John the Baptist

1576
01:15:42,109 --> 01:15:40,080
possessed it Elijah

1577
01:15:44,270 --> 01:15:42,119
possessed this it's passed along through

1578
01:15:47,930 --> 01:15:44,280
the generations and what it suggested to

1579
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:47,940
me is that this garment of light is more

1580
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:50,880
than likely a teaching about how we

1581
01:15:57,320 --> 01:15:54,810
attain our light body are glowing body

1582
01:15:59,209 --> 01:15:57,330
our resurrection body and this is why

1583
01:16:02,149 --> 01:15:59,219
they're called the mighty ones because

1584
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:02,159
it gave them superhuman capabilities so

1585
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:04,800
let me just finish here so there's what

1586
01:16:08,540 --> 01:16:07,170
I just wanted to say is that when you're

1587
01:16:09,979 --> 01:16:08,550
a researcher or

1588
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:09,989
to all this year you're always

1589
01:16:13,700 --> 01:16:12,000
confronted with these crossroads how are

1590
01:16:16,149 --> 01:16:13,710
you going to define the word Illuminati

1591
01:16:19,879 --> 01:16:16,159
how are you gonna define the word

1592
01:16:23,209 --> 01:16:19,889
Nephilim or Giants if you're looking for

1593
01:16:26,270 --> 01:16:23,219
nine and 12-foot skeletons chances are

1594
01:16:28,669 --> 01:16:26,280
you're not looking for developing your

1595
01:16:32,180 --> 01:16:28,679
light body because you believe that the

1596
01:16:35,180 --> 01:16:32,190
Giants are extraordinarily tall beings

1597
01:16:37,490 --> 01:16:35,190
not beings with superhuman spiritual

1598
01:16:40,580 --> 01:16:37,500
capability or the ability to manifest

1599
01:16:42,319 --> 01:16:40,590
the the the glory body the resurrection

1600
01:16:44,450 --> 01:16:42,329
body or the rainbow body of light and

1601
01:16:46,459 --> 01:16:44,460
that's what I believe they were capable

1602
01:16:49,490 --> 01:16:46,469
of doing and that is the message of the

1603
01:16:51,859 --> 01:16:49,500
Watchers and then a filum well even in

1604
01:16:54,919 --> 01:16:51,869
the Old Testament you heard of people

1605
01:16:59,060 --> 01:16:54,929
living living like 500 years or also

1606
01:17:01,010 --> 01:16:59,070
being very very tall you know very very

1607
01:17:04,459 --> 01:17:01,020
tall beings yeah but John some of these

1608
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:04,469
guys are 92 miles high well I mean

1609
01:17:10,129 --> 01:17:07,650
that's that I hadn't heard that that

1610
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:10,139
before most people haven't there these

1611
01:17:14,799 --> 01:17:12,570
are obvious exaggerations to say they're

1612
01:17:17,419 --> 01:17:14,809
Giants because it means they're more

1613
01:17:19,609 --> 01:17:17,429
more than human they have more than

1614
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:19,619
human capabilities now I realize there

1615
01:17:25,970 --> 01:17:22,320
are tall beings that they're digging up

1616
01:17:27,379 --> 01:17:25,980
around the world in Peru and in parts of

1617
01:17:30,740 --> 01:17:27,389
America even here in the Ohio Valley

1618
01:17:32,450 --> 01:17:30,750
where I live they're five miles from my

1619
01:17:35,419 --> 01:17:32,460
house there's all kinds of legends about

1620
01:17:37,370 --> 01:17:35,429
Giants graves so I understand that that

1621
01:17:39,319 --> 01:17:37,380
there's a possibility that those those

1622
01:17:42,140 --> 01:17:39,329
beings exist but are they than a feel

1623
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:42,150
them I'm not so sure that they are well

1624
01:17:49,310 --> 01:17:47,040
is could it be that some of this this

1625
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:49,320
could be a little metaphorical in the

1626
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:52,730
sense that Giants could be people who

1627
01:17:59,930 --> 01:17:55,530
possess great intelligence like an

1628
01:18:03,709 --> 01:17:59,940
Einstein sure I guess so geniuses people

1629
01:18:05,060 --> 01:18:03,719
with extraordinary gifts might be part

1630
01:18:08,330 --> 01:18:05,070
of that group even though they don't

1631
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:08,340
have the physical characteristic of

1632
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:10,770
being nine foot tall and once again

1633
01:18:16,069 --> 01:18:12,960
we're getting back to to that idea of

1634
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:16,079
when people ascend when they were saying

1635
01:18:20,209 --> 01:18:17,610
they ascend they were going to be nine

1636
01:18:22,129 --> 01:18:20,219
feet or 20 feet tall

1637
01:18:25,100 --> 01:18:22,139
no I've never heard ninety-two feet so

1638
01:18:26,950 --> 01:18:25,110
that's the 92 miles tall that you have

1639
01:18:29,509 --> 01:18:26,960
to be people to interact with like

1640
01:18:30,950 --> 01:18:29,519
there's all kinds of crazy numbers and

1641
01:18:32,540 --> 01:18:30,960
this is why they're omitted from most

1642
01:18:33,890 --> 01:18:32,550
conversations about the giantess because

1643
01:18:36,259 --> 01:18:33,900
no one would ever believe that the

1644
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:36,269
beings could be that huge well I guess

1645
01:18:40,430 --> 01:18:38,400
you know if you look at the Bible too if

1646
01:18:43,310 --> 01:18:40,440
you look at someone like a Goliath when

1647
01:18:45,950 --> 01:18:43,320
you look at David versus Goliath was

1648
01:18:49,100 --> 01:18:45,960
maybe Goliath was part of that and a

1649
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:49,110
filum group I don't know because he was

1650
01:18:56,359 --> 01:18:53,610
considered a giant and and so but but

1651
01:19:01,459 --> 01:18:56,369
when you said that it and so many things

1652
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:01,469
are metaphorical and and and that's why

1653
01:19:06,020 --> 01:19:03,090
I thought that those people that

1654
01:19:09,589 --> 01:19:06,030
possessed great intelligence like a

1655
01:19:12,979 --> 01:19:09,599
Steve Jobs or even a Leonardo da Vinci

1656
01:19:17,209 --> 01:19:12,989
or a Michelangelo those people or

1657
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:17,219
certainly giants in their own way and I

1658
01:19:22,580 --> 01:19:19,530
guess that brings me to what I wouldn't

1659
01:19:25,819 --> 01:19:22,590
wanted to talk to you about because so

1660
01:19:32,029 --> 01:19:25,829
much of your work involves researching

1661
01:19:35,330 --> 01:19:32,039
art and and looking at how your work is

1662
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:35,340
supported by ancient Christian art or at

1663
01:19:41,149 --> 01:19:38,610
least medieval art did the great ones

1664
01:19:43,489 --> 01:19:41,159
like the Raphael's and Michelangelo's

1665
01:19:46,009 --> 01:19:43,499
and Leonardo da Vinci's today

1666
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:46,019
did they ever depict some of the

1667
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:51,090
Seraphim energy or Seraphim role and

1668
01:19:56,209 --> 01:19:53,280
humanity that that you're talking about

1669
01:19:58,009 --> 01:19:56,219
they did yeah the inventor the the

1670
01:20:00,859 --> 01:19:58,019
person who's credited with the invention

1671
01:20:03,140 --> 01:20:00,869
of oil painting who was also a superspy

1672
01:20:06,410 --> 01:20:03,150
and an alchemist was named Jan van Eyck

1673
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:06,420
and it was he who actually painted the

1674
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:08,400
image that I saw in the Philadelphia

1675
01:20:13,219 --> 01:20:10,650
Museum of France st. Francis receiving

1676
01:20:16,879 --> 01:20:13,229
the stigmata from Christ as a seraph so

1677
01:20:18,500 --> 01:20:16,889
that's one good example and it kind of

1678
01:20:21,469 --> 01:20:18,510
started me on this path of really

1679
01:20:22,819 --> 01:20:21,479
researching sacred art and I've been

1680
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:22,829
kind of running the gamut from

1681
01:20:28,339 --> 01:20:25,760
everything from a focus on

1682
01:20:32,810 --> 01:20:28,349
Transfiguration art and transfiguration

1683
01:20:33,890 --> 01:20:32,820
icons that the basic the the common

1684
01:20:37,580 --> 01:20:33,900
premise or

1685
01:20:40,330 --> 01:20:37,590
idea that you find in in sacred art

1686
01:20:43,580 --> 01:20:40,340
mystic art some of the great Renaissance

1687
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:43,590
artists from Botticelli to DES Mikkel

1688
01:20:50,450 --> 01:20:46,770
Angelo to John van Eyck - you name it

1689
01:20:54,590 --> 01:20:50,460
Philippa lippy these guys had this

1690
01:20:58,580 --> 01:20:54,600
belief going back to the early Christian

1691
01:21:00,669 --> 01:20:58,590
alchemists - that their art was capable

1692
01:21:04,729 --> 01:21:00,679
of transmitting the vibration of

1693
01:21:08,030 --> 01:21:04,739
divinity so going back to the early

1694
01:21:11,450 --> 01:21:08,040
Christian iconography they would make a

1695
01:21:13,729 --> 01:21:11,460
an image an icon of the Transfiguration

1696
01:21:15,620 --> 01:21:13,739
of Jesus when he has taken the disciples

1697
01:21:19,700 --> 01:21:15,630
up to the top of the mountain teh boar

1698
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:19,710
and morphs into his like being formed

1699
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:23,600
they believed that those icons of the

1700
01:21:28,939 --> 01:21:25,679
Transfiguration were in their

1701
01:21:31,370 --> 01:21:28,949
terminology sacred portals in sacred

1702
01:21:34,220 --> 01:21:31,380
mirrors and they used Gnostic

1703
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:34,230
terminology such as the image itself

1704
01:21:40,669 --> 01:21:38,400
will show you the way and enter through

1705
01:21:43,430 --> 01:21:40,679
the image this characterizes their

1706
01:21:46,189 --> 01:21:43,440
belief that you can enter the divine

1707
01:21:49,550 --> 01:21:46,199
world through these images because we

1708
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:49,560
are after all made in the image of God

1709
01:21:57,169 --> 01:21:53,130
and so we are we are images connecting

1710
01:22:01,040 --> 01:21:57,179
with the divine realm through images now

1711
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:01,050
what happened was Islam comes along the

1712
01:22:05,149 --> 01:22:03,690
Islamic scholars say hey y'all are a

1713
01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:05,159
bunch of idle look worshipping

1714
01:22:10,430 --> 01:22:08,159
hillbillies we won't even dream of

1715
01:22:12,110 --> 01:22:10,440
painting Muhammad's face let alone

1716
01:22:13,970 --> 01:22:12,120
portraying Allah and here you all are

1717
01:22:16,100 --> 01:22:13,980
standing in front of these panel icons

1718
01:22:18,050 --> 01:22:16,110
and claiming that you can receive the

1719
01:22:18,830 --> 01:22:18,060
Christ's light through a painting are

1720
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:18,840
you nuts

1721
01:22:23,390 --> 01:22:21,449
when the unfortunately the Byzantium of

1722
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:23,400
the Church Fathers in Byzantium nears to

1723
01:22:27,500 --> 01:22:25,920
the orthodox church fathers agreed with

1724
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:27,510
them and we went through this period

1725
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:30,000
where they literally destroyed these

1726
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:34,050
icons and then icon making started to

1727
01:22:39,169 --> 01:22:36,210
make a comeback in the 13th and 14th

1728
01:22:42,229 --> 01:22:39,179
century then we have the Neo platanus

1729
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:42,239
come along during the Renaissance period

1730
01:22:47,330 --> 01:22:45,840
and whole schools are now set up based

1731
01:22:51,620 --> 01:22:47,340
on the idea

1732
01:22:54,649 --> 01:22:51,630
that art can transmute or transmit the

1733
01:22:57,260 --> 01:22:54,659
vibration of divinity and this is the

1734
01:23:01,100 --> 01:22:57,270
foundational belief of Botticelli's

1735
01:23:03,169 --> 01:23:01,110
artwork of leonardo of you you name any

1736
01:23:05,450 --> 01:23:03,179
of the the top artists of the

1737
01:23:07,010 --> 01:23:05,460
Renaissance period they all believed

1738
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:07,020
this because they all came out of the

1739
01:23:13,669 --> 01:23:11,010
same central school well they they did a

1740
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:13,679
lot of their their depictions of the

1741
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:17,280
human body were based on the Greeks and

1742
01:23:26,180 --> 01:23:22,170
the the I want to get back to this idea

1743
01:23:30,169 --> 01:23:26,190
of not painting divinity and from now I

1744
01:23:32,510 --> 01:23:30,179
know the the Muslims do not allow any

1745
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:32,520
kind of depiction of the Prophet

1746
01:23:37,399 --> 01:23:35,130
Muhammad as a matter of fact if you do

1747
01:23:39,859 --> 01:23:37,409
what the depictions I've seen of him is

1748
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:39,869
with his back turned and you just see

1749
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:42,480
the head or you are if he's facing you

1750
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:46,010
there's no there's no face exactly and

1751
01:23:55,550 --> 01:23:49,440
and it's just it's it's it's interesting

1752
01:23:58,520 --> 01:23:55,560
and but you just have to to do wonder

1753
01:24:02,810 --> 01:23:58,530
why because it seems like it would be a

1754
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:02,820
good thing to emulate the deity or the

1755
01:24:11,330 --> 01:24:08,130
the the power or that Majesty or be able

1756
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:11,340
to assimilate that energy like you were

1757
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:13,530
saying from from some of these other

1758
01:24:21,820 --> 01:24:18,000
artists artists so how does Islam fit

1759
01:24:26,330 --> 01:24:21,830
into this idea of the seraphim's and and

1760
01:24:30,890 --> 01:24:26,340
the idea of the ascension are they just

1761
01:24:33,879 --> 01:24:30,900
another perspective of a larger larger

1762
01:24:37,399 --> 01:24:33,889
concept yeah well you have to remember

1763
01:24:41,629 --> 01:24:37,409
Muhammad himself ascended he ascended

1764
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:41,639
from this very site of Solomon's Temple

1765
01:24:47,089 --> 01:24:44,250
in Jerusalem that's why that the Dome of

1766
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:47,099
the rock site is sacred to to Muslims

1767
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:49,290
because that's where he ascends aboard

1768
01:24:55,490 --> 01:24:53,610
his magic horse al Barak so there's lots

1769
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:55,500
of ascension stories especially in this

1770
01:25:00,480 --> 01:24:59,280
in the mystic branch of Islam or Sufism

1771
01:25:04,500 --> 01:25:00,490
as it's also known

1772
01:25:07,380 --> 01:25:04,510
where they began to formulate many of

1773
01:25:10,620 --> 01:25:07,390
these ancient Gnostic ideas into a their

1774
01:25:12,930 --> 01:25:10,630
their mystical brand of Ascension mm-hmm

1775
01:25:14,670 --> 01:25:12,940
well in the Christian to this tradition

1776
01:25:20,130 --> 01:25:14,680
there's only been three ascensions

1777
01:25:22,770 --> 01:25:20,140
Elisha Mary and Christ and so so in the

1778
01:25:26,100 --> 01:25:22,780
Muslim tradition Allah Muhammad ascended

1779
01:25:27,450 --> 01:25:26,110
is that right that's correct and you

1780
01:25:29,610 --> 01:25:27,460
know it also in the Christian Enoch

1781
01:25:33,180 --> 01:25:29,620
ascended as well this is why Jesus so

1782
01:25:36,900 --> 01:25:33,190
often quoted the Book of Enoch hmm ok ok

1783
01:25:39,660 --> 01:25:36,910
I have to look at I didn't know that so

1784
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:39,670
so that's I only knew of the of the

1785
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:43,690
three but no it's it's it's fascinating

1786
01:25:51,030 --> 01:25:47,920
work but where can where can people find

1787
01:25:54,210 --> 01:25:51,040
some of this art on the web can you give

1788
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:54,220
us a couple of wet websites that my

1789
01:26:00,570 --> 01:25:57,040
anxious audience are my group in the

1790
01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:00,580
chatroom can they can they can look it

1791
01:26:05,340 --> 01:26:03,040
up while while we're talking so I'll

1792
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:05,350
give them some work to do you know what

1793
01:26:13,050 --> 01:26:09,120
I would do is I would just Google

1794
01:26:15,180 --> 01:26:13,060
Transfiguration Christ okay all right

1795
01:26:17,310 --> 01:26:15,190
and look at some of those images and

1796
01:26:19,950 --> 01:26:17,320
start to take a look at what you've got

1797
01:26:21,990 --> 01:26:19,960
going there you've got you've got Jesus

1798
01:26:25,290 --> 01:26:22,000
standing on top of a mountain with the

1799
01:26:28,590 --> 01:26:25,300
disciples in fear his messages rise and

1800
01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:28,600
do not be afraid Jesus is standing in

1801
01:26:34,650 --> 01:26:32,320
what is described as a cloud but too

1802
01:26:37,380 --> 01:26:34,660
many people's eyes modern eyes when you

1803
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:37,390
see Jesus standing in front of a circle

1804
01:26:42,210 --> 01:26:39,600
or a gateway that's filled with stars

1805
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:42,220
today we think of in terms of words like

1806
01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:46,330
Stargate or portal he's clearly standing

1807
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:48,880
in front of a gateway into another realm

1808
01:26:55,380 --> 01:26:52,090
and he's wearing a bright white garment

1809
01:26:58,200 --> 01:26:55,390
that is symbolic of the purified light

1810
01:27:00,570 --> 01:26:58,210
body so I would encourage just to kind

1811
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:00,580
of start focusing on some of the

1812
01:27:07,190 --> 01:27:03,130
Transfiguration icons and see if they

1813
01:27:10,620 --> 01:27:07,200
can connect with those because those are

1814
01:27:13,979 --> 01:27:10,630
extremely powerful images energetically

1815
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:13,989
and it's also a call to our own

1816
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:16,570
because the idea is is that we all have

1817
01:27:22,170 --> 01:27:19,450
this this light body within us we wear

1818
01:27:24,990 --> 01:27:22,180
it on the inside the the angels the

1819
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:25,000
avatars the divine beings they wear on

1820
01:27:31,709 --> 01:27:28,050
the outside and the Transfiguration or

1821
01:27:34,190 --> 01:27:31,719
metamorphosis of Jesus is a there's a

1822
01:27:37,830 --> 01:27:34,200
very powerful story that talks about our

1823
01:27:42,900 --> 01:27:37,840
ability to to wear our light body

1824
01:27:46,170 --> 01:27:42,910
garment and also gives us a mirror of a

1825
01:27:48,300 --> 01:27:46,180
portal that we can enter into and begin

1826
01:27:51,330 --> 01:27:48,310
this process of that so if that's our

1827
01:27:54,180 --> 01:27:51,340
path or our calling mm-hmm well you know

1828
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:54,190
when you talk about a matter of fact I

1829
01:27:59,459 --> 01:27:56,290
have pulled up on on the computer right

1830
01:28:02,910 --> 01:27:59,469
now a depiction of Christ

1831
01:28:06,270 --> 01:28:02,920
the Transfiguration just as you said

1832
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:06,280
with Christ in white robes and it

1833
01:28:12,060 --> 01:28:08,890
appearing to be a portal but if you you

1834
01:28:13,979 --> 01:28:12,070
know I it it also depicts some other

1835
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:13,989
things in there which I want to get your

1836
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:17,410
comments about it depicts him kind of as

1837
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:21,130
separating the good people from the evil

1838
01:28:25,260 --> 01:28:23,530
people and and if you've ever been to

1839
01:28:28,410 --> 01:28:25,270
the Sistine Chapel have you ever been

1840
01:28:31,380 --> 01:28:28,420
there yes okay you you know in the back

1841
01:28:35,580 --> 01:28:31,390
wall you have the Judgment Day and you

1842
01:28:38,010 --> 01:28:35,590
have Christ there ascending and you see

1843
01:28:40,110 --> 01:28:38,020
those that are rising with him and then

1844
01:28:43,140 --> 01:28:40,120
you see those that are that are fallen

1845
01:28:45,870 --> 01:28:43,150
weird with what is how does that fit

1846
01:28:49,380 --> 01:28:45,880
into is there is there a hell or is

1847
01:28:51,930 --> 01:28:49,390
there Judgment Day depictions because

1848
01:28:53,940 --> 01:28:51,940
they at that time the the choice was so

1849
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:53,950
stark it was like these are there's

1850
01:28:58,560 --> 01:28:56,530
there's two paths but ultimately only

1851
01:29:01,410 --> 01:28:58,570
one choice that you can make and the

1852
01:29:03,959 --> 01:29:01,420
images that I particularly like are the

1853
01:29:07,380 --> 01:29:03,969
are the Last Judgment images where they

1854
01:29:09,810 --> 01:29:07,390
show the righteous ones the elect who

1855
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:09,820
are ascending towards Christ and there

1856
01:29:15,229 --> 01:29:12,130
they're often portrayed as levitating

1857
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:15,239
and the reason is because they think

1858
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:17,290
elevated their consciousness they've

1859
01:29:22,740 --> 01:29:19,930
raised their vibration they've begun the

1860
01:29:24,810 --> 01:29:22,750
process of of metamorphosis they've had

1861
01:29:27,969 --> 01:29:24,820
the change of heart they've locked their

1862
01:29:30,459 --> 01:29:27,979
heart more focused on love than fear

1863
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:30,469
and as a consequence there the path is

1864
01:29:36,129 --> 01:29:34,489
opening before them and this dark

1865
01:29:38,229 --> 01:29:36,139
contrast of course is that if we live

1866
01:29:40,419 --> 01:29:38,239
our lives in fear and anger and jealousy

1867
01:29:43,330 --> 01:29:40,429
and hatred then we are going to make

1868
01:29:46,419 --> 01:29:43,340
this a living hell for ourselves but

1869
01:29:49,149 --> 01:29:46,429
ultimate but ultimately redemption is is

1870
01:29:51,689 --> 01:29:49,159
a possibility for everyone but in my

1871
01:29:54,939 --> 01:29:51,699
opinion you kind of have to you have to

1872
01:29:56,799 --> 01:29:54,949
meet Christ halfway and that's the part

1873
01:29:59,080 --> 01:29:56,809
of the message that I see so often in

1874
01:30:00,910 --> 01:29:59,090
the in the Last Judgement images is that

1875
01:30:03,310 --> 01:30:00,920
these are the ones that have decided to

1876
01:30:04,779 --> 01:30:03,320
to walk the path of righteousness which

1877
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:04,789
is a word we don't like to use these

1878
01:30:09,100 --> 01:30:06,530
days it just simply means to live in a

1879
01:30:10,509 --> 01:30:09,110
good in godly way which means you're

1880
01:30:12,279 --> 01:30:10,519
gonna you're gonna follow the

1881
01:30:14,199 --> 01:30:12,289
commandments love your neighbor as

1882
01:30:16,449 --> 01:30:14,209
yourself and love with you all your

1883
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:16,459
heart all your mind all your soul that's

1884
01:30:21,910 --> 01:30:19,010
the key to the secret of eternal life

1885
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:21,920
that's also the secret of of ancient

1886
01:30:27,879 --> 01:30:24,050
aliens stargate metaphysics that's the

1887
01:30:29,229 --> 01:30:27,889
universal law of one mm-hmm so it sounds

1888
01:30:32,589 --> 01:30:29,239
like like you said that there is a

1889
01:30:35,770 --> 01:30:32,599
spiritual or even a religious basis to

1890
01:30:39,910 --> 01:30:35,780
your work is there is there a particular

1891
01:30:44,830 --> 01:30:39,920
type of group or or besides the Gnostics

1892
01:30:51,129 --> 01:30:44,840
or is this a simply agnostic perspective

1893
01:30:54,009 --> 01:30:51,139
of reality or of spirituality norm stuff

1894
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:54,019
you know what I what I talk about in

1895
01:31:00,819 --> 01:30:57,170
interviews is not coming from a church

1896
01:31:02,709 --> 01:31:00,829
it this is what I have gleaned from my

1897
01:31:04,930 --> 01:31:02,719
research and the Dead Sea Scrolls that

1898
01:31:08,410 --> 01:31:04,940
the NAG Hammadi library which are

1899
01:31:10,180 --> 01:31:08,420
Gnostic texts and this is the actual

1900
01:31:12,729 --> 01:31:10,190
beliefs I mean it's it's shocking to

1901
01:31:15,129 --> 01:31:12,739
people who have never actually read the

1902
01:31:17,399 --> 01:31:15,139
Dead Sea Scrolls especially Christians

1903
01:31:22,060 --> 01:31:17,409
who have never read the Dead Sea Scrolls

1904
01:31:25,390 --> 01:31:22,070
that they're missing out on an enormous

1905
01:31:29,799 --> 01:31:25,400
amount of insight into how Christianity

1906
01:31:32,469 --> 01:31:29,809
emerged and so I I read the Dead Sea

1907
01:31:35,949 --> 01:31:32,479
Scrolls I also read I spend a lot of my

1908
01:31:38,620 --> 01:31:35,959
time chasing around the the folks that

1909
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:38,630
write from the ivory towers your PhDs

1910
01:31:42,589 --> 01:31:41,010
your academics because a lot of the

1911
01:31:44,660 --> 01:31:42,599
material about the death from the Dead

1912
01:31:48,229 --> 01:31:44,670
Sea Scrolls is yet to make it into the

1913
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:48,239
popular or alternative presses and and

1914
01:31:53,839 --> 01:31:50,730
so when you get into some of this PhD

1915
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:53,849
material it's absolutely astonishing and

1916
01:32:00,470 --> 01:31:56,250
how explicit the Dead Sea Scrolls were

1917
01:32:03,140 --> 01:32:00,480
about a our our inherent divine nature

1918
01:32:07,009 --> 01:32:03,150
that we are all as humans in effect

1919
01:32:10,189 --> 01:32:07,019
angels already into that angels come and

1920
01:32:12,410 --> 01:32:10,199
go from this planet routinely and that

1921
01:32:14,660 --> 01:32:12,420
in fact the Essene community at Qumran

1922
01:32:17,060 --> 01:32:14,670
when they were writing the the Dead Sea

1923
01:32:18,799 --> 01:32:17,070
Scrolls stories believe their community

1924
01:32:21,109 --> 01:32:18,809
to be a they believed they were

1925
01:32:24,020 --> 01:32:21,119
cohabiting with angels which means that

1926
01:32:25,669 --> 01:32:24,030
angels were on earth and so some people

1927
01:32:27,770 --> 01:32:25,679
don't like to use the word angel they

1928
01:32:30,620 --> 01:32:27,780
prefer to use the word alien or

1929
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:30,630
extraterrestrial and if you if you feel

1930
01:32:34,759 --> 01:32:32,250
more comfortable with those words then

1931
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:34,769
that's exactly what the Essenes were

1932
01:32:40,310 --> 01:32:38,090
describing happening in their community

1933
01:32:42,350 --> 01:32:40,320
mm-hmm-hmm that's very interesting you

1934
01:32:46,129 --> 01:32:42,360
know one of the things that I think said

1935
01:32:50,180 --> 01:32:46,139
I was also looking at while you were

1936
01:32:54,169 --> 01:32:50,190
while you were talking was that the role

1937
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:54,179
of the Archangels and I kind of want to

1938
01:32:57,140 --> 01:32:55,650
bring things back a little bit to the

1939
01:33:01,370 --> 01:32:57,150
serpents because I know that that's a

1940
01:33:05,060 --> 01:33:01,380
big area that you you discuss in your

1941
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:05,070
books as The Watcher you know we we

1942
01:33:11,379 --> 01:33:08,130
associate different personalities with

1943
01:33:15,229 --> 01:33:11,389
the Archangels are there specific

1944
01:33:19,399 --> 01:33:15,239
seraphim's that have names or certain

1945
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:19,409
personalities or today do they highlight

1946
01:33:23,899 --> 01:33:22,050
certain energies for instance we we see

1947
01:33:26,569 --> 01:33:23,909
the Archangel Michael as being the

1948
01:33:29,209 --> 01:33:26,579
protector we see Raphael as kind of

1949
01:33:32,930 --> 01:33:29,219
being the doctor we see uh some of the

1950
01:33:36,649 --> 01:33:32,940
other other Archangels like Metatron

1951
01:33:39,500 --> 01:33:36,659
being a protector of children it seems

1952
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:39,510
that some people talk about the

1953
01:33:45,859 --> 01:33:42,650
Archangels is as being leaders for the

1954
01:33:48,859 --> 01:33:45,869
for the for the seraphim's what what is

1955
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:48,869
your take on that well you mentioned

1956
01:33:54,319 --> 01:33:51,210
Metatron he's considered to be the

1957
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:54,329
leader of the Seraphim and you're I'm

1958
01:33:57,900 --> 01:33:54,730
sure you

1959
01:34:00,870 --> 01:33:57,910
that Metatron was once a human his name

1960
01:34:01,890 --> 01:34:00,880
was his name is Enoch oh so he's the

1961
01:34:03,660 --> 01:34:01,900
easy knock

1962
01:34:05,550 --> 01:34:03,670
he's Enoch yeah he was taken to heaven

1963
01:34:09,030 --> 01:34:05,560
by the Archangel Michael who is also a

1964
01:34:10,890 --> 01:34:09,040
seraph and a watcher and enroute Michael

1965
01:34:14,210 --> 01:34:10,900
takes him through several halls or holes

1966
01:34:16,830 --> 01:34:14,220
in space until he ultimately gets into

1967
01:34:19,710 --> 01:34:16,840
it see I kept members the third or the

1968
01:34:22,050 --> 01:34:19,720
seventh heaven where he anoints Enoch

1969
01:34:25,380 --> 01:34:22,060
with the the chrism oil the holy

1970
01:34:28,410 --> 01:34:25,390
anointing oil and it dissolves Enochs

1971
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:28,420
body into glorious rainbow colored light

1972
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:31,210
so he now matches the angels he matches

1973
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:33,850
the Seraphim which suggests to me that

1974
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:36,010
the Seraphim have rainbow bodies and

1975
01:34:41,430 --> 01:34:39,010
then Enoch is taken to the throne of God

1976
01:34:44,070 --> 01:34:41,440
and he's given a job he's becomes a

1977
01:34:46,140 --> 01:34:44,080
janitor he he sweeps up around the

1978
01:34:50,100 --> 01:34:46,150
throne of God he's given instruction

1979
01:34:52,500 --> 01:34:50,110
then he's returned to earth and given a

1980
01:34:54,870 --> 01:34:52,510
period of time 30 days usually that the

1981
01:34:56,430 --> 01:34:54,880
number that's mentioned to share this

1982
01:34:59,670 --> 01:34:56,440
heavenly knowledge with his friends and

1983
01:35:02,400 --> 01:34:59,680
family then Enoch has taken back up into

1984
01:35:05,820 --> 01:35:02,410
heaven and given a new job and a new

1985
01:35:09,030 --> 01:35:05,830
name his new name is Metatron and his

1986
01:35:12,030 --> 01:35:09,040
job his role as he is the guide and he's

1987
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:12,040
now seeking humans who were like Enoch

1988
01:35:17,729 --> 01:35:15,730
who are on the path who are ready to to

1989
01:35:21,270 --> 01:35:17,739
take the next step in their ascension

1990
01:35:25,050 --> 01:35:21,280
and he is then he's now ready to assist

1991
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:25,060
us in our transformation mmm-hmm so

1992
01:35:31,710 --> 01:35:27,850
Metatron is a pretty powerful angel now

1993
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:31,720
he's not the the head of the Archangels

1994
01:35:36,930 --> 01:35:34,690
that's rock rug well he's the head of a

1995
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:36,940
Seraphim he's a head of the Seraphim

1996
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:41,170
okay but he's also an archangel yes and

1997
01:35:45,180 --> 01:35:42,970
this is where you know people can get

1998
01:35:48,900 --> 01:35:45,190
you can really kind of start to split

1999
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:48,910
hairs here because the the same angels

2000
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:51,489
that are referred to as Archangel are

2001
01:35:59,520 --> 01:35:54,489
also referred to as Watchers okay okay

2002
01:36:01,290 --> 01:35:59,530
because you know I I guess I don't want

2003
01:36:04,860 --> 01:36:01,300
to press the issue about the hierarchy

2004
01:36:08,770 --> 01:36:04,870
of angels but in the hierarchy of angels

2005
01:36:13,480 --> 01:36:08,780
the Archangels are really pretty low

2006
01:36:15,730 --> 01:36:13,490
they are they are the the upper realm of

2007
01:36:18,940 --> 01:36:15,740
the they are the upper part of the lower

2008
01:36:20,380 --> 01:36:18,950
realm yeah and that's kind of funny too

2009
01:36:23,020 --> 01:36:20,390
when you talk about Enoch you know

2010
01:36:24,730 --> 01:36:23,030
becoming going up to the throne of God

2011
01:36:26,770 --> 01:36:24,740
and becoming a janitor well that doesn't

2012
01:36:29,320 --> 01:36:26,780
sound like too much fun but hello he's

2013
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:29,330
at the throne of God I mean come on and

2014
01:36:33,460 --> 01:36:31,850
then then he he's no longer a janitor

2015
01:36:39,090 --> 01:36:33,470
after it becomes Metatron now he's a

2016
01:36:41,890 --> 01:36:39,100
guide or you you know it's like what's

2017
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:41,900
when you're talking at that level you're

2018
01:36:47,590 --> 01:36:44,690
still talking about a glorious being

2019
01:36:49,690 --> 01:36:47,600
mm-hmm well the thing is is that you

2020
01:36:51,460 --> 01:36:49,700
know you we're talking about seraphim's

2021
01:36:54,310 --> 01:36:51,470
and now we're kind of branching off to

2022
01:36:57,460 --> 01:36:54,320
some Archangels but there are other

2023
01:37:00,250 --> 01:36:57,470
angels that we haven't talked about and

2024
01:37:03,490 --> 01:37:00,260
and some of those are the principalities

2025
01:37:06,100 --> 01:37:03,500
the virtues and the dominions do you

2026
01:37:09,820 --> 01:37:06,110
ever do you ever how what is their role

2027
01:37:12,940 --> 01:37:09,830
or do they do they take also form as

2028
01:37:14,740 --> 01:37:12,950
seraphim's you know I don't spend I

2029
01:37:17,190 --> 01:37:14,750
haven't spent much time researching the

2030
01:37:20,140 --> 01:37:17,200
the principalities the powers other than

2031
01:37:21,610 --> 01:37:20,150
recognizing that they that they're there

2032
01:37:23,440 --> 01:37:21,620
that's that's basically it I've just

2033
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:23,450
been kind of fixated on the on the

2034
01:37:27,460 --> 01:37:25,370
Seraphim on the Seraphim okay okay

2035
01:37:31,860 --> 01:37:27,470
because you know the principalities they

2036
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:31,870
say that every country has its own and

2037
01:37:41,380 --> 01:37:36,010
and then the powers are the angels that

2038
01:37:44,380 --> 01:37:41,390
basically take care of the of the of the

2039
01:37:47,380 --> 01:37:44,390
wind and the weather and and and change

2040
01:37:50,110 --> 01:37:47,390
of seasons and things like that and then

2041
01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:50,120
the and then the virtues the powers I

2042
01:37:55,750 --> 01:37:52,130
guess are are also the dominions I'm I

2043
01:37:58,900 --> 01:37:55,760
gotta get my get my Angel's a strike and

2044
01:38:02,230 --> 01:37:58,910
then you have the the virtues the virtue

2045
01:38:04,090 --> 01:38:02,240
angels which I find very fascinating

2046
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:04,100
because I think that they help people

2047
01:38:13,480 --> 01:38:08,930
with guidance on on how to be to live a

2048
01:38:16,390 --> 01:38:13,490
virtuous life so so these are they're

2049
01:38:21,020 --> 01:38:16,400
from my perspective they are used as

2050
01:38:25,340 --> 01:38:21,030
guides or tools to help us become better

2051
01:38:27,610 --> 01:38:25,350
better individuals so so to to get to

2052
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:27,620
that higher realm where the Seraphim are

2053
01:38:31,970 --> 01:38:29,850
you have to kind of get through those

2054
01:38:35,870 --> 01:38:31,980
other angels or you got to at least

2055
01:38:38,150 --> 01:38:35,880
acknowledge them so that's that's just a

2056
01:38:41,570 --> 01:38:38,160
fascinating thing that I that I found

2057
01:38:43,430 --> 01:38:41,580
for from my meditations and from the

2058
01:38:46,070 --> 01:38:43,440
work I do because looks like I say with

2059
01:38:49,820 --> 01:38:46,080
when you're a medium you encounter all

2060
01:38:51,470 --> 01:38:49,830
kinds of entities and beings and and you

2061
01:38:54,110 --> 01:38:51,480
have to kind of understand their

2062
01:38:57,830 --> 01:38:54,120
frequencies and things like that at

2063
01:39:01,070 --> 01:38:57,840
least that's that's my experience so so

2064
01:39:03,950 --> 01:39:01,080
in your book the the Watchers you take

2065
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:03,960
it another level from from where you

2066
01:39:09,830 --> 01:39:07,890
from from your other books yeah I would

2067
01:39:11,450 --> 01:39:09,840
say so I mean the the subtitle of the

2068
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:11,460
book is Ascension resurrection

2069
01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:13,290
perfection lost secrets of the Watchers

2070
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:15,360
ascension resurrection and perfection

2071
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:18,810
and I'm just simply kind of starting off

2072
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:20,610
from the point that we know that when

2073
01:39:25,310 --> 01:39:22,170
the Watchers came here they brought the

2074
01:39:27,170 --> 01:39:25,320
secrets of heaven with them mm-hmm what

2075
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:27,180
are the secrets of heaven well to me

2076
01:39:30,710 --> 01:39:28,890
they're the lost secrets of Ascension

2077
01:39:33,260 --> 01:39:30,720
resurrection and perfection this is the

2078
01:39:35,510 --> 01:39:33,270
the the reason the Watchers came here

2079
01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:35,520
their their mission is to help us to

2080
01:39:40,970 --> 01:39:38,250
break through the boundary that

2081
01:39:44,090 --> 01:39:40,980
separates the human and divine realms

2082
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:44,100
and to assist us in transforming the

2083
01:39:47,300 --> 01:39:45,290
planet I mean that could be a

2084
01:39:49,310 --> 01:39:47,310
oversimplified way of looking at it but

2085
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:49,320
that's that's where I started with it

2086
01:39:56,750 --> 01:39:53,930
and then especially my focus is on

2087
01:40:00,650 --> 01:39:56,760
asking the question is it possible that

2088
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:00,660
the that the when the Watchers are

2089
01:40:08,030 --> 01:40:05,010
portrayed as as these beings and we when

2090
01:40:10,340 --> 01:40:08,040
you read the descriptions of the of the

2091
01:40:12,710 --> 01:40:10,350
eyewitness accounts of beings of

2092
01:40:14,420 --> 01:40:12,720
individuals like Isaiah who actually saw

2093
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:14,430
one of the Watcher angels as the

2094
01:40:21,440 --> 01:40:17,370
Seraphim he describes him as lightning

2095
01:40:23,300 --> 01:40:21,450
like rainbow like and I put all these

2096
01:40:25,250 --> 01:40:23,310
descriptions together and I match him up

2097
01:40:27,830 --> 01:40:25,260
with the tibetan rainbow body of light

2098
01:40:29,420 --> 01:40:27,840
and that the correspondence is really

2099
01:40:31,730 --> 01:40:29,430
pretty striking and no one's ever made

2100
01:40:33,830 --> 01:40:31,740
this before and so it's it's new

2101
01:40:34,500 --> 01:40:33,840
territory for researchers to follow this

2102
01:40:37,109 --> 01:40:34,510
path that

2103
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:37,119
opened up in the watchers and so that's

2104
01:40:41,250 --> 01:40:38,530
that's where I'm coming from is it

2105
01:40:43,470 --> 01:40:41,260
possible that the Watchers as these

2106
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:43,480
beings of light are what we think of as

2107
01:40:48,930 --> 01:40:46,570
having the rainbow body of light and is

2108
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:48,940
this the essential teaching that they

2109
01:40:54,029 --> 01:40:51,090
they brought to earth and when Enoch

2110
01:40:57,379 --> 01:40:54,039
becomes their the the the hero of the

2111
01:41:00,930 --> 01:40:57,389
Essenes and he is the the man who's

2112
01:41:03,180 --> 01:41:00,940
translated from a human into a watcher

2113
01:41:06,859 --> 01:41:03,190
angel who has a glowing rainbow like

2114
01:41:09,029 --> 01:41:06,869
body is this in fact describing Enochs

2115
01:41:11,240 --> 01:41:09,039
transformation into the rainbow body of

2116
01:41:14,549 --> 01:41:11,250
light and then how influential

2117
01:41:16,919 --> 01:41:14,559
ultimately was that on on the Christian

2118
01:41:20,609 --> 01:41:16,929
story of Jesus's resurrection where he

2119
01:41:23,549 --> 01:41:20,619
to also manifests the glory body or the

2120
01:41:28,890 --> 01:41:23,559
rainbow body hmm

2121
01:41:31,620 --> 01:41:28,900
well the rainbow body now so as a person

2122
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:31,630
we all have a rainbow body does that

2123
01:41:36,899 --> 01:41:33,730
make sense yes okay

2124
01:41:42,509 --> 01:41:36,909
and now another another thing that is a

2125
01:41:45,020 --> 01:41:42,519
correlation to my work that I feel like

2126
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:45,030
I need to bring up is the human aura

2127
01:41:51,029 --> 01:41:48,010
because the human aura is made up of

2128
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:51,039
different colors and the the chakras are

2129
01:41:56,100 --> 01:41:54,010
made up of different colors does that

2130
01:42:04,020 --> 01:41:56,110
relate to what you're talking about it

2131
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:04,030
does in a way by analogy our body is the

2132
01:42:11,220 --> 01:42:06,250
cocoon and the rainbow body is the

2133
01:42:13,620 --> 01:42:11,230
butterfly so the the aura is is part of

2134
01:42:16,049 --> 01:42:13,630
the body but it is not the same as the

2135
01:42:19,410 --> 01:42:16,059
rainbow body of light oh it's not okay

2136
01:42:22,169 --> 01:42:19,420
okay okay because I was just curious

2137
01:42:24,180 --> 01:42:22,179
about that now we only have a few

2138
01:42:28,259 --> 01:42:24,190
minutes left in our program and so I

2139
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:28,269
want to kind of have you tell the people

2140
01:42:34,379 --> 01:42:31,360
tell or over our audience about we're

2141
01:42:36,180 --> 01:42:34,389
you know your travels and some of the

2142
01:42:37,919 --> 01:42:36,190
thing other things that you do do you

2143
01:42:38,490 --> 01:42:37,929
mind doing that yeah be my pleasure

2144
01:42:42,209 --> 01:42:38,500
thank you

2145
01:42:44,700 --> 01:42:42,219
I actually just returned from 47 days on

2146
01:42:47,669 --> 01:42:44,710
the road my wife Claire and I were in

2147
01:42:48,260 --> 01:42:47,679
France we lead tours of sacred southern

2148
01:42:52,280 --> 01:42:48,270
France

2149
01:42:55,010 --> 01:42:52,290
following the the Cathar trail and we

2150
01:42:56,690 --> 01:42:55,020
came home from went back to London my

2151
01:42:58,640 --> 01:42:56,700
wife's British so we have family in

2152
01:43:02,630 --> 01:42:58,650
London's we frequently stay in London

2153
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:02,640
sort of a second home we after being in

2154
01:43:07,070 --> 01:43:04,890
London we went to Egypt for two weeks

2155
01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:07,080
and led one of our legendary Stargate

2156
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:09,570
Egypt tours which was absolutely

2157
01:43:15,620 --> 01:43:11,730
phenomenal in fact we're repeating the

2158
01:43:19,730 --> 01:43:15,630
the Egypt tour in March of 2015 and the

2159
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:19,740
France tour in June of 2015 so we're

2160
01:43:25,130 --> 01:43:21,810
very excited about that and really happy

2161
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:25,140
that things are back to normal in Egypt

2162
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:27,330
all as well and in fact now is the time

2163
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:29,280
to be there because the the tourists are

2164
01:43:34,670 --> 01:43:31,650
just now starting to come back oh that's

2165
01:43:38,870 --> 01:43:34,680
good news because it was such a shame

2166
01:43:41,930 --> 01:43:38,880
that so many things were were just just

2167
01:43:44,150 --> 01:43:41,940
drawn to a complete halt in Egypt there

2168
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:44,160
their main focus of their economy is

2169
01:43:48,140 --> 01:43:45,690
tourism isn't it

2170
01:43:50,390 --> 01:43:48,150
well not know it's a small percentage of

2171
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:50,400
their economy actually but it has a

2172
01:43:56,540 --> 01:43:52,890
dramatic effect when it dries up because

2173
01:43:59,150 --> 01:43:56,550
they they need dollars and for trade and

2174
01:44:00,590 --> 01:43:59,160
you know is it really if you is just

2175
01:44:03,110 --> 01:44:00,600
awful what happened Egypt was an

2176
01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:03,120
economic hit job I mean they they just

2177
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:06,690
really devastated their their economy

2178
01:44:10,940 --> 01:44:09,210
and the people but now now the works out

2179
01:44:12,290 --> 01:44:10,950
that everything's fine and so

2180
01:44:15,140 --> 01:44:12,300
fortunately people are starting to come

2181
01:44:17,270 --> 01:44:15,150
back mm-hmm well that's great so you're

2182
01:44:19,130 --> 01:44:17,280
gonna be going to re-argue

2183
01:44:21,260 --> 01:44:19,140
did you say you're going to Egypt when

2184
01:44:22,820 --> 01:44:21,270
are you going to Egypt did you say March

2185
01:44:24,980 --> 01:44:22,830
of 2015

2186
01:44:28,310 --> 01:44:24,990
March oh so that's coming up pretty soon

2187
01:44:30,530 --> 01:44:28,320
yeah it is yeah can't wait so how do

2188
01:44:32,780 --> 01:44:30,540
people sign up for that they can go to

2189
01:44:35,180 --> 01:44:32,790
my website William Henry dotnet we'll

2190
01:44:36,740 --> 01:44:35,190
have all the tour information up here in

2191
01:44:39,470 --> 01:44:36,750
the next week or so but they can drop me

2192
01:44:41,090 --> 01:44:39,480
an email through my contact page if

2193
01:44:43,730 --> 01:44:41,100
they're interested in getting advanced

2194
01:44:45,440 --> 01:44:43,740
or early bird notice about the tour okay

2195
01:44:48,170 --> 01:44:45,450
that's great and the same is true for

2196
01:44:50,810 --> 01:44:48,180
France same as tour for same is true for

2197
01:44:52,460 --> 01:44:50,820
France as well we're also we're gonna do

2198
01:44:56,060 --> 01:44:52,470
something really special that the Shroud

2199
01:44:58,850 --> 01:44:56,070
of Turin is going on display for 67 days

2200
01:45:01,040 --> 01:44:58,860
from April until August of 2015 so we're

2201
01:45:01,879 --> 01:45:01,050
organizing a special tour to go see the

2202
01:45:05,090 --> 01:45:01,889
shroud

2203
01:45:08,899 --> 01:45:05,100
oh wow Wow I've seen it so I meet you

2204
01:45:10,459 --> 01:45:08,909
yeah it's great it's a it's a great

2205
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:10,469
thing I lived in Europe for a little

2206
01:45:15,890 --> 01:45:12,810
while so when I was a kid or when I was

2207
01:45:18,229 --> 01:45:15,900
in college and I did a lot of stuff I

2208
01:45:23,229 --> 01:45:18,239
was able to go do a lot of wonderful

2209
01:45:26,270 --> 01:45:23,239
things that I can't do now awesome John

2210
01:45:28,850 --> 01:45:26,280
but no you do a lot of traveling around

2211
01:45:30,919 --> 01:45:28,860
the United States as well and I do

2212
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:30,929
though so I'll be in Reading

2213
01:45:36,740 --> 01:45:34,050
Pennsylvania November 16th and November

2214
01:45:38,930 --> 01:45:36,750
21st I'm in Dallas Lewisville Texas at

2215
01:45:40,879 --> 01:45:38,940
miracles of joy and I've got details on

2216
01:45:44,270 --> 01:45:40,889
my website about both of those events oh

2217
01:45:46,580 --> 01:45:44,280
great well I hope to come to some of

2218
01:45:49,879 --> 01:45:46,590
your events when you're down here in my

2219
01:45:52,010 --> 01:45:49,889
area but you reside in Tennessee and is

2220
01:45:55,399 --> 01:45:52,020
there a particular place that you work

2221
01:45:57,439 --> 01:45:55,409
out of well in Tennessee what part of

2222
01:45:59,899 --> 01:45:57,449
Tennessee now a little or a lip yeah I

2223
01:46:02,780 --> 01:45:59,909
live in Nashville and actually I give

2224
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:02,790
tours of Nashville we've got replicas of

2225
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:05,010
two healing temples from the ancient

2226
01:46:11,260 --> 01:46:08,489
world we have a scale replica of the

2227
01:46:13,669 --> 01:46:11,270
Parthenon from ancient Athens yes

2228
01:46:15,709 --> 01:46:13,679
complete with the tallest indoor statue

2229
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:15,719
in the Western world a 42 foot tall

2230
01:46:22,430 --> 01:46:19,050
statue of the goddess Athena completely

2231
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:22,440
covered in gold then we have a 2,200

2232
01:46:26,959 --> 01:46:24,810
foot long magician's rod that is laid

2233
01:46:29,689 --> 01:46:26,969
out in growing at the base of our state

2234
01:46:36,109 --> 01:46:29,699
capital that's a absolutely just

2235
01:46:38,330 --> 01:46:36,119
extraordinary living temple well do you

2236
01:46:41,870 --> 01:46:38,340
live in Nashville because you had your

2237
01:46:44,270 --> 01:46:41,880
roots and music yeah I I had come down

2238
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:44,280
here to go to college I was born and

2239
01:46:48,590 --> 01:46:46,770
raised in Detroit and ended up staying

2240
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:48,600
here in Nashville I just really like it

2241
01:46:52,689 --> 01:46:50,610
it's a it's a beautiful place it's

2242
01:46:55,189 --> 01:46:52,699
really grounded and I've got the

2243
01:46:58,100 --> 01:46:55,199
Vanderbilt University Divinity Library

2244
01:47:00,950 --> 01:46:58,110
five minutes from my house no so you can

2245
01:47:03,379 --> 01:47:00,960
you have access to research exactly oh

2246
01:47:06,530 --> 01:47:03,389
well that's great that's great well

2247
01:47:08,810 --> 01:47:06,540
where can people find your book they can

2248
01:47:11,479 --> 01:47:08,820
get my books from I've got the secret of

2249
01:47:13,189 --> 01:47:11,489
Scion at amazon.com and my other books

2250
01:47:13,930 --> 01:47:13,199
are available from my website William

2251
01:47:16,660 --> 01:47:13,940
Henry

2252
01:47:18,130 --> 01:47:16,670
that mm-hmm okay well that's that's good

2253
01:47:20,650 --> 01:47:18,140
and and then of course you'll be

2254
01:47:21,939 --> 01:47:20,660
bringing some books with you when you

2255
01:47:23,050 --> 01:47:21,949
come to Texas is that all right

2256
01:47:25,590 --> 01:47:23,060
absolutely

2257
01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:25,600
yeah okay that's good that's good well

2258
01:47:29,229 --> 01:47:27,890
what are your what are some of your

2259
01:47:31,570 --> 01:47:29,239
final thoughts winter when are you gonna

2260
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:31,580
be back on ancient aliens so we can kind

2261
01:47:36,430 --> 01:47:33,770
of mark that on our calendar well we're

2262
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:36,440
in season seven right now the first two

2263
01:47:41,860 --> 01:47:39,050
episodes maybe three episodes of the

2264
01:47:45,700 --> 01:47:41,870
season have already aired and we'll have

2265
01:47:47,530 --> 01:47:45,710
16 episodes in total so you can watch

2266
01:47:49,300 --> 01:47:47,540
watch out for those I think they're

2267
01:47:52,150 --> 01:47:49,310
going to run them all continuously now

2268
01:47:54,850 --> 01:47:52,160
and until the first of the year which

2269
01:47:56,680 --> 01:47:54,860
would be nice they used to in the years

2270
01:47:58,570 --> 01:47:56,690
past they split the season a little bit

2271
01:48:00,640 --> 01:47:58,580
but this year but they're running them

2272
01:48:03,939 --> 01:48:00,650
continuously on h2

2273
01:48:06,660 --> 01:48:03,949
there's always ancient aliens marathons

2274
01:48:09,250 --> 01:48:06,670
- I mean it's amazing how much the show

2275
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:09,260
how much airtime it gets and how well

2276
01:48:14,590 --> 01:48:11,090
people respond - I think it's absolutely

2277
01:48:16,090 --> 01:48:14,600
fantastic mm-hmm well when I was telling

2278
01:48:18,580 --> 01:48:16,100
people I was going to be doing this

2279
01:48:23,290 --> 01:48:18,590
program people were asking about the the

2280
01:48:27,580 --> 01:48:23,300
gentleman with the wild hair you know he

2281
01:48:29,110 --> 01:48:27,590
embarked I've met Georgie oh yeah I mean

2282
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:29,120
isn't that something you know it's like

2283
01:48:31,780 --> 01:48:30,410
if you gotta you want to get your

2284
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:31,790
message across you got to go duck

2285
01:48:36,130 --> 01:48:33,890
dynasty or have crazy hair or something

2286
01:48:38,860 --> 01:48:36,140
people just respond - it's kind of funny

2287
01:48:40,510 --> 01:48:38,870
be a little eccentric if I had enough

2288
01:48:43,870 --> 01:48:40,520
hair I guess I could try that but I

2289
01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:43,880
don't well you know I mean TV likes

2290
01:48:50,439 --> 01:48:46,730
characters right and I'm you know

2291
01:48:52,229 --> 01:48:50,449
Georgia character yeah so that's cool

2292
01:48:55,090 --> 01:48:52,239
more power to him you know he's usually

2293
01:48:56,290 --> 01:48:55,100
taking it and I mean good better and

2294
01:48:59,490 --> 01:48:56,300
different you can agree and disagree

2295
01:49:02,350 --> 01:48:59,500
with him on things and many people do

2296
01:49:05,590 --> 01:49:02,360
you know he's still done a good job of

2297
01:49:08,110 --> 01:49:05,600
doing what he does yeah he's yeah he's

2298
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:08,120
great he really is he does a fabulous

2299
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:10,730
job I was just just telling you that

2300
01:49:16,030 --> 01:49:13,010
that when people think of ancient aliens

2301
01:49:19,780 --> 01:49:16,040
he's one of the well that comes to mind

2302
01:49:22,410 --> 01:49:19,790
because it's hilarious nique yeah yeah

2303
01:49:24,910 --> 01:49:22,420
it's absolutely and you know it just as

2304
01:49:26,950 --> 01:49:24,920
the years progressed as the show grew

2305
01:49:27,430 --> 01:49:26,960
and as popularity his skin got oranger

2306
01:49:29,709 --> 01:49:27,440
and his hair

2307
01:49:31,900 --> 01:49:29,719
got higher so just you know it worked

2308
01:49:34,689 --> 01:49:31,910
for them it worked it sure did

2309
01:49:38,130 --> 01:49:34,699
yeah well thank you so much for being

2310
01:49:41,709 --> 01:49:38,140
part of our program we truly appreciate

2311
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:41,719
having you you're one of our more famous

2312
01:49:47,979 --> 01:49:44,810
guests that we've had on the program and

2313
01:49:54,150 --> 01:49:47,989
we are just delighted now they put on

2314
01:49:57,610 --> 01:49:54,160
the on the on the chat a picture of

2315
01:50:01,660 --> 01:49:57,620
Giorgio so so that's a that's a good

2316
01:50:04,510 --> 01:50:01,670
thing so we have a few minutes left and

2317
01:50:09,340 --> 01:50:04,520
so let's let's just do kind of a recap

2318
01:50:12,670 --> 01:50:09,350
of our talk tonight your new book called

2319
01:50:14,350 --> 01:50:12,680
called the lost legends of the Watchers

2320
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:14,360
is that right lost secrets of the

2321
01:50:18,220 --> 01:50:15,770
watchers that's right lost secrets

2322
01:50:20,740 --> 01:50:18,230
secrets of the Watchers and it mainly

2323
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:20,750
concentrates on the role of the

2324
01:50:26,470 --> 01:50:24,410
seraphim's with humanity is that would

2325
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:26,480
that kind of be part of it in a nutshell

2326
01:50:31,240 --> 01:50:29,570
or yes the Watchers I'm equating with

2327
01:50:34,180 --> 01:50:31,250
the Seraphim they brought the the

2328
01:50:35,740 --> 01:50:34,190
secrets of heaven to earth with them and

2329
01:50:38,500 --> 01:50:35,750
I believe that those secrets are about

2330
01:50:41,110 --> 01:50:38,510
human transformation into angels what we

2331
01:50:44,170 --> 01:50:41,120
refer to as ascension resurrection and

2332
01:50:49,660 --> 01:50:44,180
perfection now on your website you have

2333
01:50:53,470 --> 01:50:49,670
a brief summary of each of the chapters

2334
01:50:56,500 --> 01:50:53,480
of your of your new book and it's kind

2335
01:50:58,000 --> 01:50:56,510
of I guess is a teaser but it seems to

2336
01:51:00,729 --> 01:50:58,010
be very very interesting

2337
01:51:03,490 --> 01:51:00,739
and also before we leave I want to ask

2338
01:51:05,890 --> 01:51:03,500
you about art Arcanum what is Arcanum

2339
01:51:08,530 --> 01:51:05,900
what is that that is a show my wife

2340
01:51:11,229 --> 01:51:08,540
Claire and I did on Gaiam TV where we

2341
01:51:14,380 --> 01:51:11,239
explored the the esoteric secrets that

2342
01:51:17,110 --> 01:51:14,390
are encoded or embedded in sacred art we

2343
01:51:21,580 --> 01:51:17,120
did 12 episodes and were due to do

2344
01:51:23,340 --> 01:51:21,590
another second season of Arcana min in

2345
01:51:26,860 --> 01:51:23,350
the early part of 2015

2346
01:51:30,220 --> 01:51:26,870
okay okay so we can we can get that on

2347
01:51:34,780 --> 01:51:30,230
on Gaiam TV that's not available in all

2348
01:51:38,110 --> 01:51:34,790
places is it or is it its internet so

2349
01:51:41,080 --> 01:51:38,120
anybody around the world can can logon

2350
01:51:43,120 --> 01:51:41,090
you can watch all 12 episodes for free

2351
01:51:46,660 --> 01:51:43,130
you get 10 days free when you sign up

2352
01:51:50,530 --> 01:51:46,670
it's 998 a month after that and gyeom's

2353
01:51:53,080 --> 01:51:50,540
got just a wonderful offering of video

2354
01:51:56,290 --> 01:51:53,090
presentations and in other shows that

2355
01:51:58,959 --> 01:51:56,300
are available that are awesome now you

2356
01:52:01,780 --> 01:51:58,969
also have your own YouTube channel is

2357
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:01,790
that right I haven't done enough with

2358
01:52:06,729 --> 01:52:03,770
the YouTube channel I'm intending to do

2359
01:52:08,140 --> 01:52:06,739
more in 2015 but right now it's it's

2360
01:52:10,689 --> 01:52:08,150
there's just a few things up there

2361
01:52:12,669 --> 01:52:10,699
mm-hmm well but you're getting your

2362
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:12,679
message out there so that's that that's

2363
01:52:16,270 --> 01:52:14,090
a good thing

2364
01:52:20,229 --> 01:52:16,280
so you know you already have a lot

2365
01:52:22,570 --> 01:52:20,239
planned for 2015 I'm sure so are you

2366
01:52:25,750 --> 01:52:22,580
gonna be going to other areas around the

2367
01:52:28,930 --> 01:52:25,760
country besides Pennsylvania and Texas I

2368
01:52:32,010 --> 01:52:28,940
hope so I know I'll be out in Los

2369
01:52:36,310 --> 01:52:32,020
Angeles and I've had invitations for

2370
01:52:38,380 --> 01:52:36,320
Northern California but you know our

2371
01:52:40,180 --> 01:52:38,390
tour schedule is such that you know

2372
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:40,190
we're spending a lot of time and in

2373
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:42,890
Egypt France and Italy this year as well

2374
01:52:48,459 --> 01:52:46,010
as England oh wow well where do you go

2375
01:52:51,250 --> 01:52:48,469
in England do you do do a lot with

2376
01:52:54,070 --> 01:52:51,260
Stonehenge and yeah we're in the

2377
01:52:56,740 --> 01:52:54,080
Wiltshire area yeah sure

2378
01:52:58,300 --> 01:52:56,750
London and Wiltshire yeah and because

2379
01:53:01,360 --> 01:52:58,310
there's just so much that goes on of

2380
01:53:03,669 --> 01:53:01,370
course the Great Britain is a wonderful

2381
01:53:08,169 --> 01:53:03,679
place for metaphysics psychics

2382
01:53:10,240 --> 01:53:08,179
astrologers and they are just very

2383
01:53:13,870 --> 01:53:10,250
open-minded to to this type of

2384
01:53:17,890 --> 01:53:13,880
spirituality and and we learned so much

2385
01:53:20,740 --> 01:53:17,900
about about ancient cultures and the

2386
01:53:24,270 --> 01:53:20,750
Druids and people like that all the

2387
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insight that they had to to the

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extraterrestrials because you know with

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with Stonehenge being I guess

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set up for the Sun to just strike it and

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in specific ways does any of your work

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have to do with ancient structures and

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how they may communicate with the star

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people to some extent yeah of course the

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Egyptian temples and yeah I'm that's

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something I'm getting more and more into

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that I consider

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more the hardware whereas I'm dealing

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more with the software oh okay that's

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the hardware and you're dealing with the

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software that's a good way to put it

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okay

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they of course work together you can't

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have one without the other so well

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that's right that's right well we're

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learning how sophisticated all of that

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is or sure and to see all the different

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things that they did and you know even

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movies like Raiders of the Lost Ark they

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would show how how the certain ways the

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Sun would hit certain things and it

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would point to where where things were

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buried and and so on so forth so there's

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always been that connection with the

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celestial and with the Sun especially so

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it's fascinating so once again I want to

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thank you for being a part of our

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program this is epic voyagers radio here

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on the inception radio network and I

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just want to let the audience know that

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we have we the the show will be

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available for downloading in a couple of

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hours and you can also hear it again on

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night that the believe it will be

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available then so we want to thank you

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it's on Friday nights our engineer says

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so we hope that you'll tune in again and

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listen to our interview with mr. William

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Henry thanks again for joining us this

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this evening I hope I pleasure with you

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I hope to be with you when you come to

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Texas and hope to be with the audience

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again sometime soon so take care and

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that

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thank you for being with us tonight

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please join us again next Monday evening

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